Pavlik's "elbow injury" can eat a dick

This video disgusts me. Jack Lowe can eat a dick. He takes every thing away from Bernard pretty much. He blames the elbow injury, the weight, and even the classic "I was sick" excuse. Let's look at what Kelly had to say about his elbow and weight before the fight. About the elbow: Dan Rafael: Kelly I read something in - I think it was in the Cleveland newspaper yesterday that you had some sort of arm injury or elbow bump or something. Could you just - I’m sure it’s nothing too serious or you wouldn’t be fighting the fight but can you just tell me a little bit about what happened with that and what’s the story with it? Kelly Pavlik: Yeah, you know, with the local people, the media, you always say things and to a whole new level. We bumped it about maybe a month ago and had a little bruise on it but, you know, it was nothing that ice, you know, didn’t fix and, I mean, we’ve been sparring 8, 10 rounds getting ready to finish up this week or a 12 round and have had no problem with the elbow. It’s just, you know, people hear one little thing. It was a little leak, I hit it that day and that little leak turned into, you know, something big for a reporter to keep his job. Dan Rafael: So it happened a month ago though is what you’re saying? Kelly Pavlik: Yes. Dan Rafael: Okay and what elbow was it? Kelly Pavlik: Left. Dan Rafael: But it’s not giving any problems right now? Kelly Pavlik: No, not at all. About the weight: Michael David Smith: Kelly, you touched on it a minute ago but can you say specifically how much do you weigh right now and is it an issue at all for you that you’re moving up in a weight class? Kelly Pavlik: No, not at all. I've been asked that question but if you go back and look at a couple of my fights, I mean, four years ago there were stoppages. The weight to me is not a big deal at all. Like I said earlier I have more energy, I have more snap to my punches, more bounce, and going in there, I mean, it's not an issue for me. My weight right now is about 171, 172 so we're right on top of it http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=16340

Comments (20)

Well obviously Kelly is going to say the elbow is nothing going into the fight. Hopkins is going to try and exploit any potential weakness his opponent might have and if he learned that he had a bruised up elbow the outcome might have been even worse for Kelly. Also the weight really is an issue. I'm not sure if Pavlik was actually 171 but I remember he weighed at least ten pounds less than Hopkins when HBO was doing the tale of the tape before the fight. To practically jump two weight classes at age 26 when you're fighting comfortably at middleweight is very difficult. Loew shouldn't make excuses though. People are going to think what they are going to think regardless of the points he makes, and making excuses just makes him look like a prick.

17y ago

johnm_is

Give Kelly Faglick a break. He caught the Ebola virus the night before the fight and ended up getting Aids in the dressing room. Ladies and gentlemen, the poster child for unoriginal... xfiles.

17y ago

Queen_Leia

Shut up Kelly!!! Taylor outbox Pav licks in that second fight....I had Taylor winning comfortably. Jermaine laid the actual groundwork for exposing Pav licks. Lockett couldn't do it because he sucks but Bhop followed those instruction to the letter. Pav licks " It wasn't anything that he did that beat me, for crying out loud...he lost to Taylor twice, I beat Taylor twice, once by knockout and the other by decision...Calzaghe and Taylor hit him at will....I should have been able too". They hit him at "will" Kelly because they are elite fighters, you are not. Fire Loew and start all over again you clown.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

Pavlik is a one-dimensional slugger like most of us have said from day one. If you like that style, fine, but don't act like he's a great fighter because he's not

17y ago

Allucard

Pavlik sucks....and hes a cop loving *** and hopes Rubio ends hi career Doesn't suck, is just green and unlucky because Bernard Hopkins was supposed to be shot, he wasn't. Not prime but not shot yet. Pavlik will comeback. If he doesn't try to move up he holds a real advantage in power over pretty much everyone else. Stay at your division until you develop the rest of you K Pav?

17y ago

pugilistfan

I find Pavlik and Loew have been full of excuses. "I wasnt me that night," "I couldnt get my punches off." I like Pavlik, hes young and should improve but he got outclassed that night by a better, smarter fighter in Bhop. Nothing to be ashamed of considering he moved up 10lbs to fight a legend. He just happened to get Tito'd and Tarvered.

17y ago

MELLYMEL

double the f****in jab.................that doesn't solve everything? lol. i like jack, but kelly needs to bring on another trainer in addition. no question about that. thanks for the words bos. your the man as well brother!

17y ago

Ben_London1553

Kelly please, double the ****ing jab!

17y ago

warp1432

Mate its his trainer what do expect him to say if he feels something was wrong with his charge this aint kids playing in the schoolyard , you should put your hand at training an animal to be 110% at a given hour , you will change you mind totally to what can go wrong with an athlete and how fine a line getting everything right really is the bigger the prize the finer the line , people like Jack Lowe are more inclined to kill somebody in the gym especially their first star pupil in his first superfight than an experienced fast track trainer , I dont care what the main players say they have a right to say what ever they like they are doing it while we are nothing but lookers and talk is very cheap . Jack Lowe is a bad trainer due to the fact that he never really improved Kelly Pavlik's gameplan. It was just 1-2 1-2 1-2 and overwhelm him with combinations here and there. It took them 11 rounds to figure out Jermain Taylor's body was wide open for the taking. However, I do think he trained Kelly to his fullest to what he know. Kelly Pavlik was just not good enough to beat Bernard Hopkins.

17y ago

warp1432

So does this mean we can expect some.. "Hopkins (insert excuse here) can eat a dick" threads in the near future? If he gets blown out and makes a bunch of unright excuses for himself sure. That isn't likely to happen. I'll be surprised if he even fights again. Hopefully against Dawson, but I doubt it.

17y ago

johnm_is

Bhop is a sore loser. I'm not gonna deny it. Pavlik admitted he got taken to school, but he blamed the elbow and was sick was partly because of it. Originally the thread was about Jack Lowe and then it kind of focused on Pavlik. Pavlik used the same excuses, but not as bad. Jack Lowe is the one who I originally wanted to point, but it got focused on Pavlik. So yeah.... So does this mean we can expect some.. "Hopkins (insert excuse here) can eat a dick" threads in the near future?

17y ago

warp1432

So... Pavlik lacks class because his trainer maintains some lame ass excuse months after the fight. But Bhop doesn't because he makes his lame ass excuses immediately after the fight because he's "still in shock"? OK, gotcha. Pavlik, immediately after the fight, still in shock and all, admitted he got taken to school. This thread can eat a dick. Bhop is a sore loser. I'm not gonna deny it. Pavlik admitted he got taken to school, but he blamed the elbow and was sick was partly because of it. Originally the thread was about Jack Lowe and then it kind of focused on Pavlik. Pavlik used the same excuses, but not as bad. Jack Lowe is the one who I originally wanted to point, but it got focused on Pavlik. So yeah....

17y ago

warp1432

I dont believe a fighter can make the other slower than what he actually is , not slower pace slower movement Cals hand speed was the same just not as many thrown thats entirly different to what Im saying with Pavlik , no snap is not about getting of or making a fighter no pull the trigger its about about the speed it travels when it does fire , Kellys punches were pushed and labored nothing had any snap on them all I could have avoided most of them they they were that slow , Im not even looking at whether Bhop was in range moved out the side or anything , Im looking purely at Kellys delivery speed after the punch was fired and how tired he got real early , I believe something was amiss with him thats not saying he wins or taking away from Bhop just that he was not right on the night . He was pawing out there because he was trying to find the range. It's not like Pavlik was throwing pitty pat punches in there either. I don't even think he threw that half ass of punches. He just didn't throw because Hopkins took that range away and Pavlik couldn't fire. He was always moving for the most part where Pavlik never had time to fire off crisp combinations like he had with other people. In the Taylor rematch, Pavlik looked sluggish at times because Taylor was moving. It wasn't the weight. When there is movement, the work rate is going to reduce and the punches aren't going to be as crisp because you are getting hit and you aren't going to fire off 100% when you can't find him imo.

17y ago

johnm_is

17y ago

BG_Knocc_Out

I think he was off that night, but if he did better I think he still would have lost. Pavlik's probably one of the most humble fighters out now, even if he does make excuses, he'll say something like "it was my fault for fighting when not 100" or something along those lines. I have a deep feeling I'm going to be looked at as a dick rider though with my sig, lol.

17y ago

warp1432

Pavlik looked slow and weak in that fight...could have been a cold Or it could have been Hopkins movement and counters making him look sluggish, but who knows?

17y ago

mathed

apparently he had bronchitis, which if thats true, thats a pretty good excuse. But even if he wasnt sick, i dont believe that the level of class between the two is that far apart. Hopkins didnt do anything that Taylor didnt do in the second fight outside of the holding. Ppl say that lateral movement and athleticism bother Pavlik, but if that was the case he would of been outboxed by Taylor the second time. Pavlik looked slow and weak in that fight...could have been a cold

17y ago

MikeBrew328

Although I don't think Pavlik was 100% that night, for whatever reason, there was still a clear, clear gap in class there. YOu basically had a young, tough durable guy with a lot of guts taking on one of the most highly skilled masters of the past few decades. He was going in there to knock out the supposedly shot Hopkins. He thought it would be a breeze, boy was he wrong. I think it was more like he was embarassed more than anything. The only reason he continued to try to fight was that he thought B Hop would magically fade. That's the only thing that carried him to not get stopped. Hopkins called Pavlik's bluff

17y ago

warp1432

he did. All the excuses seem to be coming from Lowe. Not really. Kelly has made the same statements about the elbow and how he was sick. The only thing he didn't say was the weight, which I'll give him credit to that. Kelly Pavlik is obviously more classy then Jack Lowe, but there are still some excuses that Kelly made.

17y ago

warp1432

Athletes at this level can go off it happens a lot with animals and people , it happens and when it does you dont know untill after the fact in most cases and means during the event , its no good saying Kelly said before the fight that I was great in training as a rebuttal to what Jack is saying after the fight , you dont know something is wrong untill the event , raceshorses can run track record pace quarters on the wednesday and run a shocker last in the race on the Saturday , the difference is only 20 meters , the difference in a fight means you land very little and you get hit twice as much , dont come with even at his best he couldnt win a round because you talking out your backside . Pavlik was not right in my opinion , not an excuse an observation , he was so much slower than ever and no snap , thats the big one no snap and getting very tired by the 4th is just not typical he never had endurance issues before , I see a lot of you young fellas in here take a lot on just face value whats right in front of your face , they never see the other guy looking sick they only ever see there guy looking great look at Pac and Oscar , Im not saying this was the case 100% as its water under the bridge now and we will never know but I,ll tell now if Pavlik was a champion racehorse or Greyhound they would have put him under a barrage of lab tests to find out what happened and it would have been ordered by the officials , I love Bhop great great fighter but no one will convince me something was not a miss with Pavlik . The way I see it, he had no snap because with Bernard's movement gave him problems. When a fighter is circling and they put you out of range, you can't get your punches off as fast. Kelly was never really a fast fighter anyhow. When you can't get in range, you aren't going to throw as much either. You also aren't going to throw as much when you know the person you are fighting can counter very well and has excellent defense. All of Bernard Hopkins' opponents fight at a slower pace. Even Joe Calzaghe, who was reduced to throwing a lot of pitty pat punches just so he could have Bernard get off him in the clinch. That's my view anyway.

17y ago