Ok since Bob Arum said that if Cotto goes thru Jennings this Saturday, and wins next June, and Pacman wins against Hatton, he'll try to make this fight happen at Welterweight. I mean, lets be real, the chances of at least Cotto going thru any opponent that's NOT margarito at welterweight are pretty high, he already beat and knows how to beat Mosley, and Cintron/Berto would be underdogs for a June showdown, let's say he does win those two fights...and pac beat Hatton...that would make an amazing fight of two prime fighters, a true dream match, unlike the Oscar letdown. a fight for pound for pound #1. Who wins? I say Cotto. Not because im puertorican because I had him losing to Margarito since day 1, im no nuthugger, but Cotto is just a very strong welter, in his prime, knows how to box and beats people down in a very dramatic fashion. I just dont see pac, with his really small frame, cuz cotto is a small welter that makes up the difference in his amazing power. I see pac maybe hitting him a couple of times because of speed, but pac has been known to eat a lot of punches at other weights and Cotto unlike oscar would not go to the ring and not fight, Cotto would give him hell and i really see pac not making it 12 rounds, the pressure is just going to be too much, i see a zab judah fashion beatdown in possibly the runner up for best fight of 2009.
So what's your pick, why and how?
It's an intriguing fight to me.
Cotto is fast, accurate, and packs a hard pop in his punches, and can box and brawl simultaneously.
Pacquiao though is known as a fast slugger and pressure fighter, he's also learned to be more patient, throw at different angles, and knows how to cut the ring off when needed.
Though I believe Cotto would in the end overwhelm Pacquiao, I think Manny would put on a good fight, but probably won't be able to handle Cotto's power through 12 rounds.
Cotto by late KO
that's if the fight is at 147.
at 140, pac overwelms cotto around the 8-9th round when cotto gasses.
at a catch weight of 143, its an even fight.
It's an intriguing fight to me.
Cotto is fast, accurate, and packs a hard pop in his punches, and can box and brawl simultaneously.
Pacquiao though is known as a fast slugger and pressure fighter, he's also learned to be more patient, throw at different angles, and knows how to cut the ring off when needed.
Though I believe Cotto would in the end overwhelm Pacquiao, I think Manny would put on a good fight, but probably won't be able to handle Cotto's power through 12 rounds.
Cotto by late KO
i think everyone in here forgets pacquiao hasnt fought at 126 since 2007, its ****ing 2009 guys, EVERY FIGHT in 2008 pacquiao weighed in at 147 or higher, no matter what division it was in. if he fought cotto at 147 he still would have his power, and def has a chin and def wayyy faster than cotto and more stamina, everyone needs to relax it would be a good fight tho but no way pacquiao gets killed
i think pacs going to get beat bad bad bad that night
i think everyone in here forgets pacquiao hasnt fought at 126 since 2007, its ****ing 2009 guys, EVERY FIGHT in 2008 pacquiao weighed in at 147 or higher, no matter what division it was in. if he fought cotto at 147 he still would have his power, and def has a chin and def wayyy faster than cotto and more stamina, everyone needs to relax it would be a good fight tho but no way pacquiao gets killed
Is the a serious post?
Cotto will look like a giant when he fights Pac...Cottos built like a running back on fight night...and will weigh close 160 pounds.
Of course it's not a joke. Have you even read my posts in the rest of the thread?
FFS... Burner, of all people, saying my post is a joke... LMAO!
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Cotto. Too big, prime, stronger.
Cotto has skill, speed, strength and the weight advantage. He can adjust and also comes forward and could wear down Pac late with bodyshot.
But IMO Pac will seem the better man in the first rounds then ware out from body punishment in the late rounds.
I think Cotto wins because he is physically stronger he's as strong a WW as their is right now but i think people dont give Pac a chance just because of the weight he started and i think thats underestimating Pac. I honestly think that Pac's best weight is probably around junior welterweight cause of the body shape and the way he is able to carry the weight up. people have to remember he had to starve himself to make flyweight and ever since then he has gotten noticeably bigger with absolute no problem! pac's speed and unorthadox style would Cotto a lot of trouble and just like didnt try to trade shots an old DLH he wont underestimate a prime Cotto by trying to trade shots with him. i think you would see a great in/out attack that would frustrate Cotto. I actually would be tempted to pick Pac by decision but at the end of the day i think Cotto would find a way to put enough pressure on him where he can weaken him for a 11th rd KO. This would be a great fight IMO though... dont underestimate Pac!
how big is hatton?
how did hatton do at 147?
He didn't do well at 147, he fought Mayweather and a decent southpaw in Collazo. I don't think Hatton gets on well with southpaw's. That's probably another advantage to Manny. OK gotta go. :wave:
Hatton's stats are here:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7146/hattonvspacquiaotapeau5.jpg
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no.why? oscar is just a name, look at his performance he looked awful but if you say something like that then you are hatin or not givin manny credit but i give manny all the credit in the world but to be honest manny has not really fought a live opponent since he moved up in weight and if marquez beats juand diaz imo that win and his win over cassamayor is much bigger than manny's win over diaz and oscar
OK.
Anywaaaaays... I gotta go to sleep, it's late here. Thanks for the chat, see you guys later.
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Yup, I am not arguing that he's not bigger, but "much bigger, stronger and more powerful"? I am not entirely convinced.
I agree that stats (in this case, size) aren't the only thing to go by. If they were, Ali would have never beaten Foreman.
What's important more than anything is speed and skill. Mental strength also plays a big part.
how big is hatton?
how did hatton do at 147?
Did you bet on Oscar?
no.why? oscar is just a name, look at his performance he looked awful but if you say something like that then you are hatin or not givin manny credit but i give manny all the credit in the world but to be honest manny has not really fought a live opponent since he moved up in weight and if marquez beats juand diaz imo that win and his win over cassamayor is much bigger than manny's win over diaz and oscar
Stats aren't the only thing to go by, I mean Caballero is the same height as Margarito with only an inch disadvantage in the reach category but Margarito is much bigger naturally. Obviously, the difference between Cotto and Pacquiao isn't as extreme but still Cotto is the naturally bigger man.
Yup, I am not arguing that he's not bigger, but "much bigger, stronger and more powerful"? I am not entirely convinced.
I agree that stats (in this case, size) aren't the only thing to go by. If they were, Ali would have never beaten Foreman.
What's important more than anything is speed and skill. Mental strength also plays a big part.
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Cotto by a brutal K.O. I don't think Manny could overpower Cotto like Margarito did just because he's not a welter, If there's a top welter beatable for Manny is Berto, I don't think he can beat any other of the top guys like Clottey, Margarito or Mosley.
Thanks. That's why I didn't put the height in the stats. Too much conflicting data depending on the site, but mostly I have seen 5'7" for Cotto. So he's about .5" taller.
Really, there isn't a big difference in these guys. Cotto has thicker thighs. That's the biggest difference. On the other hand, Pacquiao has much thicker calf muscles. The rest is neither here nor there, so I wouldn't ever describe Cotto as "much bigger, stronger and more powerful", that's just an exaggeration, if the stats are anything to go by. He is slightly bigger.
Anyway, we'll see. Possibly. :)
Stats aren't the only thing to go by, I mean Caballero is the same height as Margarito with only an inch disadvantage in the reach category but Margarito is much bigger naturally. Obviously, the difference between Cotto and Pacquiao isn't as extreme but still Cotto is the naturally bigger man.
why would you bet against him, barrera and marquez are the only real competetion paquiao has had in the last 6 years
Did you bet on Oscar?
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Pacquaio's reach is widely listed as being 67". Pacquiao is normally listed as 5'6 1/2 while Cotto is normally listed as 5'7.
Thanks. That's why I didn't put the height in the stats. Too much conflicting data depending on the site, but mostly I have seen 5'7" for Cotto. So he's about .5" taller.
Really, there isn't a big difference in these guys. Cotto has thicker thighs. That's the biggest difference. On the other hand, Pacquiao has much thicker calf muscles. The rest is neither here nor there, so I wouldn't ever describe Cotto as "much bigger, stronger and more powerful", that's just an exaggeration, if the stats are anything to go by. He is slightly bigger.
Anyway, we'll see. Possibly. :)
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Not me, my friend, I haven't bet against Pacquaio in the last 6 years.
why would you bet against him, barrera and marquez are the only real competetion paquiao has had in the last 6 years
Where did you founded that info?????????/
On the Internet. :lol1:
From Pac's site and from HERE.
And HERE.
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i think any of the ww that are somewhat known will crush paquiao, people have really been blinded by manny's last 2 wins
Not me, my friend, I haven't bet against Pacquaio in the last 6 years.
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