I predicted that he wouldnt fight Shane "now" and I think its an excellent move but people still rip him for it. It just makes no sense for "Floyd's" legacy to fight Shane now. I say Floyd's legacy because if its someone else then it doesnt matter but they will definatly down play it if Floyd beat Shane now without Shane looking awesome again, espicaly now after we know that Margarito was previously using plastered hands. It makes way more sense for Pac to beat Hatton, Shane to beat a scrub, and Cotto to beat Berto in June. That way you can then have a Floyd-Pac and Shane-Cotto fight right around the same exact time in September or whatever and the winners face eachother. If you dont want Shane to fight a bum 1st then let him fight Clottey. Either way both Shane & Pac definatly need 1 more big win against these top fighters at these weights for Floyd to get full credit and your crazy if you dont beleive that. Also, as I say in the link below, it would ruin his fight with Pac if he were to beat Shane now. The Pac-Floyd fight is super huge if he fights Pac off a 2 year layoff but if Floyd beat Shane now then everyone would pick him to beat Pac and the fight wouldnt be as huge. It makes much more sense to fight Pac 1st, without a doubt.
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The ironic thing is, I think Floyd can beat him now.
I mean Mosley looked good against Tony because Tony was the first fighter Mosley faced that didn't even put up half an effort to move out of the way out of those loaded hooks. Tony just stood there taking them, he didn't bother ducking or even attempt to pick em up visually. He just covered up and ate em.
I doubt Mayweather would be that willing to eat those shots, sh*t Luis Collazo wasn't even that willing to eat those shots.
I wouldn't be suprised if Mosley enters the ring not looking nearly as good as he did for the Margo fight. I think Mosley's ideal opponents would be Cotto and Berto, both of em are kinda weak.
floyd could probably always beat mosley outside of 135 lbs... i give mosley a great chance to beat floyd there.''
its true margo's hittability made mosley lood great though.
u floyd fan are something else. yall give a 1000 reasons why not to fight a top fighter & ur only reason to fight him is $ like u getting some of it. if i gotta pay to see a fight i want the fight to be 2 top dogs not 2 top paychecks.
Completely irrelevant. My point was that fighters always have to be somebody else before they can fight Floyd. Cotto will have to beat Mosley again, then rematch Margarito. Its always a case of PBF will fight A, B, or C if they beat the winner of D, E, F. Blah, blah.
To be the best you have to beat the best (quoting Floyd here), which Floyd is amongst. I just don't understand why top fighters like Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao, Williams etc aren't able to get a fight without beating all other opposition first. Its always if he beats so and so PBF will fight him...no, not irrelevant at all. the fighters call his name. he's called out mosley, wanted cotto at 140, idk about williams and margarito, but maybe except williams, all of those fighters have called out floyd recently or had their team do it for them. i mean, what's that's saying . i see your point about beating the best and alphabet theory. unfortunately, it's always been that way. many fighters would dream to have that happen to them. they would dream to have the distinciton of having people claim that so and so has to beat him and him and the winner gets that fighter who is the best. floyd's so good, like leonard was, like robinson was, like ali was, like jones was, like whitaker was, like louis was, like tyson was, like lewis was, that people want to see that one fighter emerge to be the one to beat him. the fighters are only enhancing this theory by calling him out, and he's retired, yet, their making offers to his camp. why is this happening. why arent's you criticizing the fighters who feel they need ot beat him to truly be the best, because once again, they know who the best is, and it's floyd, bar none.
hopkins also said "i'm only fighting if its calzaghe"... calz = retired.
get the similarity?
Less than 2 weeks after Calzaghe's retirement, he has also said that he would entertain the notion of fighting Dawson, so...
"I'm retired" doesn't leave you much wiggle room.
"I'm only fighting if..." leaves you some room to work, because people do realize that can be a bargaining chip. Being retired for over a year, and turning down a rematch with ODLH means he is pretty much for sure retired.
Hopkins hasn't announced officially announced his retirement like Mayweather or Calzaghe has.
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hopkins also said "i'm only fighting if its calzaghe"... calz = retired.
get the similarity?
Hopkins hasn't announced officially announced his retirement like Mayweather or Calzaghe has.
Mayweather: "I'm retired."
Hopkins: "I still have another fight in me."
I see a difference.
hopkins also said "i'm only fighting if its calzaghe"... calz = retired.
get the similarity?
have anyone noticed that mosley has always had problems with fighters quicker than him?? PBF would kill him even with the two years of the ring
I'd be comfortable saying that Mosley was faster than Wright, Forrest and Cotto to be honest...
It's taller jabbers that generally bother him. I don't know what it was about Cotto that got the win, I just don't remember enough of that bout to give you an accurate statement.
Shane Mosley is 37 and he aint getting any younger. He still old, but he has come from having a great performance. If Floyd waits too much thet would say he beat a fighter that was washed up. He should fight him while Shane still has something left in the tank.newsflash, this has been said already about other fighters he fought. i mean, it really doesn't matter. floyd said it best, shane waits until the end of his career to call out floyd, floyd already knew shane was washed up, and even though shane beat margo, and in impressive fashion, he knows that fighting floyd is fighting a grade A+ fighter, the best fighter. this is why he didn't fight him in 2005, 2002, and 2006. he knew the outcome before the fight. he waited until floyd fought oscar at 154 and looked slower to want to fight floyd, and floyd's much better skillwise overall than shane has ever been and will ever be. i mean, fluidity, floyd owns shane, counterpunching, floyd owns shane, movement, floyd owns shane. fighting off the ropes, floyd owns him, whether offensively or defensively, floyd owns him. jab, floyd crushes shane. shane started using the jab to the body after floyd and looks sloppy throwing it. floyd is the much better fighter and you all know it.
Why do Floyd fans always come up with this "A fights B", "C fights D", then winner of those fights gets it on for the right to step in the ring with Floyd nonsense?! What has PBF done to deserve this treatment? He's ducked the best fighters above 135 and does not warrant the red carpet. FFS, he's not Leonard with 4 ATGs on his resume.yet, everybody calls his ****ing name out when they win their biggest fight don't they? why blame floyd fans and not the fighters themselves? huh? i bet you can't answer that one logically woithout having to bite that little tongue you have and agreeing with the fans. i mean, these fighters are calling out floyd, floyd's not calling them out, he's happily retired. his haters and the fighters themselves call his name because they know that in order for their favorite fighter to truly be called the best, they have to go through the very best, and that's floyd, period. face it crybaby.
They are amongst the TOP fighters in their Division.. This is WHY they should fight..
In case you haven't noticed, Floyd is retired and isn't in the division.
that would be true if floyd had indeed retired... for instance, hopkins is semi-retired but he is currently p4p #2.
Mayweather: "I'm retired."
Hopkins: "I still have another fight in me."
I see a difference.
Shane Mosley is 37 and he aint getting any younger. He still old, but he has come from having a great performance. If Floyd waits too much thet would say he beat a fighter that was washed up. He should fight him while Shane still has something left in the tank.
Floyd is not P4P #1, because he has not fought in over a year, meaning he is inactive by pretty much everyone's standards. If you argument is that he never lost it in the ring, then Floyd is still not P4P #1, because Rocky Marciano is... not a defensible argument.
that would be true if floyd had indeed retired... for instance, hopkins is semi-retired but he is currently p4p #2.
Floyds legacy, he has beaten no one. Yet hes ranked in the top 100. But, it wouldn't make sense to fight Mosley, because it'd be another old guy. That's what leads us to Berto, and Cotto. He should not beable to retire in like two more years, but the boxing commuinty, belives in him. FDor some reason, when I think of Floyd, I think of Hector Camacho, bad mental pictures.
yet you have gamboa in your sig, a guy who fights bums and will probably always fight bums
**** Floyd.....He has no legacy. He'll be remembered as a smart assed little punk that ducked top fighters in his divisions to retire undefeated. He should fight Mosley but he knows better......scary lil bitch.
sure i guess.. whatever floats your boat
1) Floyd isn't P4P #1 because he retired (in his prime too). Pacquiao is.
2) Floyd is NOT a huge payday. His biggest paydays have come from DLH and Hatton, both of whom are big draws.
1) floyd is still THEORETICALLY p4p #1
2) dlh and hatton could not have made those big paydays (the biggest in both careers) if it was not floyd as the opponent
ridiculous, how every time there a good challenge for mayw , they come with he excuse "oh no that fighter is not a big draw" , does us as fan get a share of that draw on a fight if is a big draw?
No I agree, Mayweather isn't a WW. But if you are going to claim that you beat anybody <154, you should back up your claims with fights!
Pacquiao said he could beat Margarito, and he's the biggest WW... he should be held accountable to fight Mosley and Cotto under that logic, right?
1. Don't patronise, I'm fully aware how much money influences the sport. I'm just pointing out that Mayweather once said to be the best you have to beat the best. And also said he would beat anyone at 154 and under. Funny how that has changed?
2. And apart from the DLH/Hatton fights, you give me some evidence of Mayweather being a huge attraction?
3. Pac isn't a welterweight fighter, he's far too small. Putting him in with the likes of Cotto/Mosley would not be sensible. Despite this, Roach went on record stating that Pacquiao believes he could beat Margarito at 147. Pretty big balls for a fighter who started at flyweight.
1. It was a serious question. When I was new, I didn't understand the influence of money in the sport, plus you have only had that screen name for 2 months, so I was curious. Mayweather did change his mind from glory to money, and it sickens me. I used to be a HUGE Mayweather fan.
2. He clearly has worked his way up in the draw category... his PPV with Baldomir did much better than it should have though, so that can be an example, because his opponent was an 11 loss Argentine journeyman with no fanbase, at all. I think after the ODLH fight, he became a really big draw. Nationalistic, racial pride and the fact that he is the best has really vaulted his popularity IMO.
3. Mayweather isn't really a WW fighter either if that is your criteria... at the age of 16, they were the same size, it's just Mayweather was in the ams and Pacquiao had already turned pro. Either way, a third fight with Marquez or someone like Nate Campbell would do more for Pacquiao's legacy than Hatton IMO, but those guys just don't bring in the same type of paycheck that Hatton does, so... that's why he is going after them.