You know.. I was growing up around the Trinidad/De La Hoya/Vargas era so my knowledge of the before this is very slim when it doesn't include the older champs.
What're some great underrated fights that are preferably before this era?
Yep.
I thought Arguello was gonna take him out at one point in the fight, he was taking some viscous body punches.
Escalera 1 was a good underrated fight too i thought. Strange decision to stop that fight i thought.
Arguello was really good at wearing down his opponents with his body shots, especially the left hook.
Both Escalera fights were good, although the first one was probably better. Escalera probably could have continued but I have no problem with the stoppage.
Fernandez didn't fight as good a fight in the second fight, maybe it was age catching up to him a little, he couldn't keep up the movement like he did in the first fight, he was constantly moving on Arguello in the first fight and picked his shots really well, never stayed still long enough for Arguello to get his shots off.
Fernandez was a good fighter, he gave pretty much everybody a tough night win or lose.
Arguello really knew how to dig those shots into the body on the inside.
Yep.
I thought Arguello was gonna take him out at one point in the fight, he was taking some viscous body punches.
Escalera 1 was a good underrated fight too i thought. Strange decision to stop that fight i thought.
Yeah i felt Fernandez also gave him trouble in the rematch too, although Arguello won the fight quite clearly.
Vilomar Fernandez was a decent little fighter i thought, he gave Duran a really good fight too, allthough Duran got too him eventually.
Thats what i should of said "He was OK at fighting on the inside but it definitely was not where he was at his best":boxing:
Fernandez didn't fight as good a fight in the second fight, maybe it was age catching up to him a little, he couldn't keep up the movement like he did in the first fight, he was constantly moving on Arguello in the first fight and picked his shots really well, never stayed still long enough for Arguello to get his shots off.
Fernandez was a good fighter, he gave pretty much everybody a tough night win or lose.
Arguello really knew how to dig those shots into the body on the inside.
Olivares-Arguello was indeed a great fight, Olivares did a very good job at pressuring Arguello throughout the fight but Arguello was just too much for him in the end.
I agree, Arguello did not like the movers, Fernandez beat him with movement when he was in the middle of his reign, Arturo Leon gave him trouble with his movement and obviously Pryor did as well.
He was OK at fighting on the inside but it definitely was not where he was at his best, he did his best work when he got some separation, when he could get full extension on his shots.
Yeah i felt Fernandez also gave him trouble in the rematch too, although Arguello won the fight quite clearly.
Vilomar Fernandez was a decent little fighter i thought, he gave Duran a really good fight too, allthough Duran got too him eventually.
Thats what i should of said "He was OK at fighting on the inside but it definitely was not where he was at his best":boxing:
Two fights that come to mind immediately are his fights with Ruben Castillo, Ruben Olivares, what a fight Ruben Olivares vs Alexis Arguello was.
Olivares-Arguello was indeed a great fight, Olivares did a very good job at pressuring Arguello throughout the fight but Arguello was just too much for him in the end.
What ive noticed with Arguello is he did not like lateral movement and he was not that good at fighting on the inside, because he seem liked more room to get his shots off. I think Mancini,Olivares,Pryor all gave him trouble fighting on the inside, but only Pryor was able to avoid Alexis's power, because Pryor had a little subtle move where he would move off to the side after punching etc.
One thing Arguello was, was very very consistent and he could punch hard to the body and hand.
I agree, Arguello did not like the movers, Fernandez beat him with movement when he was in the middle of his reign, Arturo Leon gave him trouble with his movement and obviously Pryor did as well.
He was OK at fighting on the inside but it definitely was not where he was at his best, he did his best work when he got some separation, when he could get full extension on his shots.
What ive noticed with Arguello is he did not like lateral movement and he was not that good at fighting on the inside, because he seem liked more room to get his shots off. I think Mancini,Olivares,Pryor all gave him trouble fighting on the inside, but only Pryor was able to avoid Alexis's power, because Pryor had a little subtle move where he would move off to the side after punching etc.
One thing Arguello was, was very very consistent and he could punch hard to the body and hand.
You are right there i mean how many times has Arguello knocked people out late or come on really strong. Argullo could take you out in the first or the last round
Yeah, Arguello knocked out quite a few fighters late and you're definitely right, Arguello could knock an opponent out early and late, his power stayed with him throughout his fights.
You got me started LOL if i remember rightly, i don't think there was anything wrong with his stamina. I think the fight changed round dramatically when Ray Mancini went down in the 12th round, and he never seemed to recover from that.
Your probably right. There was deffo some kinda shift happening in the fight around that point.
You are right there i mean how many times has Arguello knocked people out late or come on really strong. Argullo could take you out in the first or the last round
not if the other guy is a mixed bottle
I think it was a combination of him losing steam and Arguello coming on strong, Macini hadn't been past 12 at that point and Arguello was a notoriously slow starter who got better as the fight went on.
Yeah, really good fighter.
You are right there i mean how many times has Arguello knocked people out late or come on really strong. Argullo could take you out in the first or the last round
Yeah true.
I think he run out of gas against Arguello , because he went off like a train. That was an excellent fight though i agree.
I cant believe the pace Mancini could fight at he was like a punching machine.
I think it was a combination of him losing steam and Arguello coming on strong, Macini hadn't been past 12 at that point and Arguello was a notoriously slow starter who got better as the fight went on.
Yeah, really good fighter.
Yeah. :lol1: Very entertaining fighter, flawed and not the most technically sound but very tough and durable, he never stopped trying even when he was behind in his fights and threw a lot of punches while taking a lot back.
As you said, really strong physically too.
Reminds me that his fight with Arguello was a very good one as well.
Yeah true.
I think he run out of gas against Arguello , because he went off like a train. That was an excellent fight though i agree.
I cant believe the pace Mancini could fight at he was like a punching machine.
Definitely!
Gotta love Mancini was he ever involved in a boring fight :lol1:
That mofo was built like a middleweight from the waist up :boxing:
Yeah. :lol1: Very entertaining fighter, flawed and not the most technically sound but very tough and durable, he never stopped trying even when he was behind in his fights and threw a lot of punches while taking a lot back.
As you said, really strong physically too.
Reminds me that his fight with Arguello was a very good one as well.
Yeah, 1 of the best 1 round fights ever.
Definitely!
Gotta love Mancini was he ever involved in a boring fight :lol1:
That mofo was built like a middleweight from the waist up :boxing:
Matthew Saad Muhammad vs Marvin Johnson 1 & 2, Richie Kates
Kelvin Seabrooks vs Orlando Canizales 1, Thierry Jacob
Simon Brown vs Tyrone Trice 1, Vincent Pettway
Koichi Wajima vs Oscar Albarado 1
Ray Mancini vs Arturo Frias
Hector Camacho vs Edwin Rosario
Rafael Pedroza vs Gustavo Ballas
Ray Leonard vs Donny Lalonde
Frank Fletcher vs Clint Jackson, John Mugabi, Juan Roldan, James Green
Wilfredo Gomez vs Lupe Pintor
Wilfred Benitez vs Bruce Curry 1
Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks
Mike McCallum vs Milton McCrory
Mark Kaylor vs Errol Christie
Of course the FOTYs.
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_fight.htm
That should keep you entertained for a while, there are more though.
Mancini v Frias what a 1st round.:boxing: