In 20 years time (IF Evander has stopped fighting lol) who will be viewed as the better fighter?
Better p4p is Mosley champion from LW to Jr.MW... Greater fighter is Holyfield...
I hear ya BD but I don't think Holyfield would've struggled with those fighters, pound for pound. Like Mosley at lightweight, Holyfield was at his best at cruiser. They both netted some great and some disappointing performances when they moved up.
Yeah true.
I mean Shane fought at 140lbs as an amatuer and then boiled down to lightweight he was never really what i consider a true lightweight. Plus his competition at Lightweight was less than stellar imo.
Shane did not look to good against Leija before he started to get to him, and he looked terrible against John Brown.
Yeah i seem to remember hearing that somewhere. I always thought Holyfield's head butts were accidental and more to do with the way he fights, but then i saw him fight Bobby Czyz and Ruiz, then i realized actually he is a dirty fighter. I dont think Marvin Hagler was dirty, but his style and stance created a few accidental head butts that led to a couple of his fights to be stopped.
Yeah definitely. I think he always had that him. Didn't he bite someone in the Amateurs?
No disrespect to Evander Holyfield, but i could never see Shane Mosley struggling with the likes of a shot Michael Dokes, Bert Cooper, Alex Stewart. Evander Holyfield is a great fighter but he always looked beatable, and he had too many hot/cold performances.
Shane Mosley in his prime at Lightweight never looked beatable, its only when he fought bigger men with good jabs that he lost. Shane Mosley also is a much better fighter than Evander Holyfield was at his age, im going with Shane Mosley.
I hear ya BD but I don't think Holyfield would've struggled with those fighters, pound for pound. Like Mosley at lightweight, Holyfield was at his best at cruiser. They both netted some great and some disappointing performances when they moved up.
Yeah i seem to remember hearing that somewhere. I always thought Holyfield's head butts were accidental and more to do with the way he fights, but then i saw him fight Bobby Czyz and Ruiz, then i realized actually he is a dirty fighter. I dont think Marvin Hagler was dirty, but his style and stance created a few accidental head butts that led to a couple of his fights to be stopped.
Holy is a cheat Tyson shits on him without the butts! HAIL KING TYSON!!!!
j/k
Do you remember when Shane Mosley accused Vernon Forrest of headbutting? Said they had a school in Atlanta where they were taught how to headbutt? :lol1: I love Shane but that story kills me to this day.
Yeah i seem to remember hearing that somewhere. I always thought Holyfield's head butts were accidental and more to do with the way he fights, but then i saw him fight Bobby Czyz and Ruiz, then i realized actually he is a dirty fighter. I dont think Marvin Hagler was dirty, but his style and stance created a few accidental head butts that led to a couple of his fights to be stopped.
Evander had a better head butt and follow through elbow after he punched.:lol1:
Do you remember when Shane Mosley accused Vernon Forrest of headbutting? Said they had a school in Atlanta where they were taught how to headbutt? :lol1: I love Shane but that story kills me to this day.
Seems pretty unanimous for Commander Vander and i agree, just wondered as both had been superb, among the best or THE Best in Holys case at a smaller weight, moved up and beat bigger guys. Both had granite chins, could box but had a fighters heart and are among the best combo punchers
I never knew Holy started at LHW, that right? How many bouts did he have there?
He didn't officially fight at LHW but he weighed only a couple of pounds over the limit early in his career. As an amateur he fought at the amateur light heavyweight limit (178 lbs).
Holyfield holds the distinction of being the greatest cruiser of all time. Was a legit three-time heavy champ although Lennox took the final one from him. Still, as someone mentioned, he hung tough with the very best big men of his generation and put on many, many memorable performances. A true ATG and living legend.