Calzaghe Diehard Stans, Come In Here. *Dawson Related*

250117y ago

When Dawson and Boxing fans say Calzaghe should give Dawson the time of day, Calzaghe die hards say, "Who has Chad fought?" They bring up Johnson by saying "Chad fought an old man, got hurt and almost lost" but some how don't realize the stupidity of their comments as Calzaghe also fought an "OLDER man" in Hopkins and actually got knocked down and also almost lost. Then they bring up Tarver saying "Chad only wants to fight old men" but some how forget that Calzaghe choose Jones who hasn't been significant, is more past his prime than Tarver and also got KTFO by Tarver more recently than Johnson lost to Hopkins. Lets take a closer look at this. Joe Calzaghe is a name in boxing now.......barely. He may be a household superstar name in Great Brittain and some of the eastern world, but like it or not, if you aren't a name in America, you truly aren't a name in Boxing. Thats just the way it is. Non Americans want to say that Boxing doesn't end with the USA and thats true, it does, but Boxing FAME pretty much does. The fact that both Calzaghe and Hatton wanted to fight in AMERICA is proof of my statement. The fact that both Calzaghe and Hatton have made the most money in a fight in AMERICA is proof of my statement. But lets a take a look at how Calzaghe has barely made a name for himself by "beating America's best" as Calzaghe stans would have you believe. The Jeff Lacy Victory The first "exposure" to American audiences was of Calzaghe's brilliant dismantling of the highly touted Jeff Lacy. Everyone and their mother thought Lacy was going to destroy Calzaghe, but that didn't happen. Calzaghe pretty much ended Lacy's career as a professional boxer adding a GREAT win to his resume. A classic Calzaghe preformance. The Peter Manfredy Jr. Victory A showcase. A fluffer for Calzaghe. Thats all this really was. Manfredo was chosen for his presumed popularity beign associated with The Contender. Not even Manfredo's own kids thought he was going to win this fight. This was a complete mismatch and every one knew it. Don't even know why Cal fans bring this victory up. Its like Cotto fans bringing up the Gomez win as proof of greatness or Floyd fans talking about the Baldomir fight. The Bernard Hopkins Victory Coming into this fight, Hopkins was 2-2 in his last 4 fights. He had just come off one of the most boring fights ever produced on HBO. Hopkins, regardless of his recent wins, was considered an "old man", but that didn't stop Calzaghe from chasing him for a fight. Hopkins was still considered the best LHW in the division. So the fight was made, the hype was made and both stepped into the ring. Calzaghe gets KD'd in the first round and takes a while to find his rythm. But he doesn't necessarily REALLY do that now does he? We don't see vintage Cal in this fight. We see someone that doesn't necessarily know how to deal with Hopkin's dirty trickery. He loses all form, doesn't even attempt to HURT Hopkins as he decides to punch Hop with the OTHER side of his glove. Most actual exchanges, Calzaghe appeared to be on the worse end of them, but his pure work rate (as ineffective as it was), won him the fight. He didnt dominate. He didnt "kick any arse" as Cal fans try to make others believe. He barely edged out Hopkins only because he did more work than him. Hell, I scored it for Calzaghe. So looking back at all the wins against American fighters, his only TRUE, DOMINATING preformance against an ABLE and DANGEROUS American fighter was against Jeff Lacy. hopkins was dangerous, but he didn't dominate him convincingly. If you guys want to call what he did against Hopkins Boxing, then go ahead, most wont. So this is your "American Killer"? The only other great win was against Kessler, which I thought was brilliant. So including the Kessler fight, he's really only had 2 GREAT wins against GOOD fighters within the past 4 years. Now, Calzaghe stans were saying, "Who the fack is Chad Dawrson? He's a nobody, who has he beat?" Well, he went ahead and fought one of the biggest names in the LHW Division by the name of Glen Johnson and then went ahead and DOMINATED another big name, one of the BIGGEST names in the LHW division by the name of Antonio Tarver. Besides Bernard Hopkins (who wont fight Chad), those are the other 2 big names in the division. Is that not what you guys were asking for? For Chad to make a name for himself? You guys say he's a nobody. He fights SOMEBODIES and then the excuse who changed to.. "Chad Dawson wants to make his name by fighting grandpas" So then what is it, how he is supposed to make a name for himself? Let's be real here. Isn't that how Calzaghe made his name? By fighting grandpas in Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr? Chad isn't going to raise his marketing stock by fighting people that are unknown to the general public. Thats now how this Boxing shit works. Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver were HIGHLY ranked LHW when Chad fought them. He wasn't just fighting 2 old hags. Another reason why Dawson deserves a shot at Calzaghe. Calzaghe is generally considered the best LHW in the world, now. Refer to the previous text in red for reference of relation. He's already fought the other LHW in Hopkins. How is it blasphemy that the 3rd or 2nd best LHW (in most rankings), Chad Dawson, is asking for a shot at Calzaghe? Explain that to me? Isn't Calzaghe supposed to fight guys like Chad Dawson? Who else is there really for him to fight? He already said he wont fight Hopkins and Kessler again. Froch? Froch seriously deserve a shot ahead of Dawson? Not even you guys believe that. So, again, there is no true reason why Dawson doesn't deserve a shot at Calzaghe. There isn't. Any excuse Cal stans bring up can EASILY apply to Calzaghe pre Hopkins. Any attempt to discredit Dawson's rise or game plan to familiarity and legacy can EASILY be applied to Calzaghe. Some one, let me know with out a DOUBT why this shouldn't happen.

Comments (20)

2501

For those who don't understand.

17y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

So has Jones. You're just the only fool who can't see that- as evidenced by your last comment. You're talking about something thats not measurable - whos more past it than who? Looking at their last respective fights, its not clear cut. Only way you find out is if they fight again.

17y ago

el_malo2039

dawson vs calzaghe would be a great fight, i hope it happens. hell of a thread by the way

17y ago

IMDAZED

Jones hasnt shown miraculous improvement but Tarver has shown great decline. The only thing I trip over is you....beneath me. So has Jones. You're just the only fool who can't see that- as evidenced by your last comment.

17y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

You don't have to say that when you preface your commentary with "I don't know if Tarver is better than Jones now." As if Jones has shown miraculous improvement since the last time Tarver had him stumbling around the ring like a wino. I don't have to trip you up. I just point it out when you do it to yourself. Nobody knows because they havent fought each other recently. I cant speak factually about it, only give an opinion. Get it? Jones hasnt shown miraculous improvement but Tarver has shown great decline. The only thing I trip over is you....beneath me.

17y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

Tarver may not be what he was 5 years ago but I still think he is a better fighter than Roy right now. I would def pick him to beat Roy if they were to fight now that is for sure and I think that over the past 5 years he has had the more credible wins. So while I think Tarver is declined and isn't a real threat to Dawson, still a better opponent than Roy at this stage. IMO. Yep and I would pick Roy to beat the Clinton Woods that fought Tarver.......quite easily. Which would then put Roy "back on top" and thus a legit opponent.

17y ago

IMDAZED

When did I say he didnt???? Do you realise how stupid you look every time you try to trip me up only to get it thrown straight back in your face? :lol1: You don't have to say that when you preface your commentary with "I don't know if Tarver is better than Jones now." As if Jones has shown miraculous improvement since the last time Tarver had him stumbling around the ring like a wino. I don't have to trip you up. I just point it out when you do it to yourself.

17y ago

GTL

He also beat Adamek, who is the LEGIT Cruiser champ.. a good fighter as well..

17y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

You know how stupid you sound talking about how Tarver has gone down significantly since he beat Jones? Did it ever occur to you that Jones did as well? When did I say he didnt???? Do you realise how stupid you look every time you try to trip me up only to get it thrown straight back in your face? :lol1:

17y ago

Dan

Actually I didnt say that. I asked why Tarver was an understandable opponent whereas Jones wasnt. I dont know if Tarver is better than Jones right now. Tarver has gone downhill significantly since he beat Jones. A victory over Clinton Woods doesnt mean hes back on top even though he picked up a trinket belt. And you might as well be clinging to one of Dawsons pubes, the way you try to constantly elevate his status. Tarver may not be what he was 5 years ago but I still think he is a better fighter than Roy right now. I would def pick him to beat Roy if they were to fight now that is for sure and I think that over the past 5 years he has had the more credible wins. So while I think Tarver is declined and isn't a real threat to Dawson, still a better opponent than Roy at this stage. IMO.

17y ago

IMDAZED

Actually I didnt say that. I asked why Tarver was an understandable opponent whereas Jones wasnt. I dont know if Tarver is better than Jones right now. Tarver has gone downhill significantly since he beat Jones. A victory over Clinton Woods doesnt mean hes back on top even though he picked up a trinket belt. And you might as well be clinging to one of Dawsons pubes, the way you try to constantly elevate his status. You know how stupid you sound talking about how Tarver has gone down significantly since he beat Jones? Did it ever occur to you that Jones did as well?

17y ago

Dirk_Diggler_UK

You just answered your own question. In the middle or beginning of this thread, you stated quote ''what makes Tarver a better fighter than Jones''. :fing02: I also don't blow on anyone's ''bollox'', i am just bringing out the facts for display. Tarver was rated at number 2 at light heavyweight by the ring, is that a lie? Tarver was champion when Dawson beat him, is that a lie? My only reason for posting in this thread was to ask Kirss about why doesn't Joe need to fight an accomplished named like Dawson when hes been criticized for not coming earlier and when he did come over, his opponents were past their prime( though Hopkins was still a great win for many reasons). Joe is at a point where he can fight anyone he wants, i didn't bash him one time. If he fights Chad he does. If he doesn't, he doesn't, Actually I didnt say that. I asked why Tarver was an understandable opponent whereas Jones wasnt. I dont know if Tarver is better than Jones right now. Tarver has gone downhill significantly since he beat Jones. A victory over Clinton Woods doesnt mean hes back on top even though he picked up a trinket belt. And you might as well be clinging to one of Dawsons pubes, the way you try to constantly elevate his status.

17y ago

boxasmash

i'm all for this fight actually, i see dawson as a future p4p top 3, maybe even #1. if calzaghe gets him right now his resume will be enhanced when dawson goes on to greatness. just hope he wins!

17y ago

boxasmash

i think calzaghe should fight dawson just to shut every ****er up and leave them with no excuses, it's not as if dawson would win anyway. do it joe, fight dawson in cardiff then retire.

17y ago

slicksouthpaw16

Yeah make no mistake about it, Tarver is an experienced veteran and he could pull the upset if Dawson comes in anything less than his best. I think Dawson will win a decision but i think it will be somewhat closer, but i think Dawson is simply too much for Antonio because he just has more ability, energy and speed and the only way Tarver has is if he caught Dawson with a punch that he doesn't see, and if he was to get Dawson hurt and couldn't finish him then he could be put out himself because hes known for fading late and Chad has shown recuperative skills mane times and will go to the body.

17y ago

Dan

Well Johnson beats Tarver because Antonio's slowed some. But I thought Tarver beat Johnson twice and that version of Johnson is much better than this one IMO. Tarver def beat Johnson in that first fight no doubt. I couldn't believe they gave Glen that decision tbh.

17y ago

IMDAZED

Not that I feel as strongly as the other criticising the LHW division, but he raised some valid points and I don't credit the guys outside the top 5 anywhere near as much as the top 5. He had a good style for beating Roy, but credit to him he did twice. He also beat Johnson, but I think Johnson whom is as good if not better now, beats him today. In short, anyone ranked ahead of Tarver now: clearly, clearly beats him imo. I'm pretty sure most would agree. Well Johnson beats Tarver because Antonio's slowed some. But I thought Tarver beat Johnson twice and that version of Johnson is much better than this one IMO.

17y ago

madhatter

I agree with everyone if calzaghe is to fight again it should be Dawson, but the problem is not who has dawson beaten because he has some good names on his record, but the problem is calzaghe is not a big name in america he's not a popular fighter over there. so the problem is does Chad Dawson bring enough money because he's Chad Dawson i dont know yet he only just hit the upper echelons of boxing circles and he maybe still too much of a high risk for not big enough reward. I also agree with alot of the posts that if cal did beat dawson he would be just labelled another overated fighter, because calzaghe never gonna be universally liked by the boxing community because he took to long to try and unify the super mids, i dont know if there was much effort but i always wonder why a calzaghe vs ottke bout was never made. Personally i think calzaghe will fight again and i think he will pick the road warrior himself glen johnson because he can get a bigger share of the purse fighting glen in the UK

17y ago

Kris_Silver

Why wouldn't I rate Tarver high? Save for Dawson and Hopkins, he's beaten down on nearly every other light heavy contender out there. Not that I feel as strongly as the other criticising the LHW division, but he raised some valid points and I don't credit the guys outside the top 5 anywhere near as much as the top 5. He had a good style for beating Roy, but credit to him he did twice. He also beat Johnson, but I think Johnson whom is as good if not better now, beats him today. In short, anyone ranked ahead of Tarver now: clearly, clearly beats him imo. I'm pretty sure most would agree.

17y ago

IMDAZED

I can't see Tarver winning the re match. He'll probably come in with slightly better tactics, but to be fair Dawson can take some shots and get away with being phased with Tarver unlikely to throw speedy, powerful and accurate combinations to capitalise. I see a wider decision, and this fight could either make or break Calzaghe fighting again. The winner and of course most likely Dawson, needs to be up for fighting a few months or so later, in the UK, for a smaller pot to be likely for it to be workable. These are just some obstacles I think could leave it not coming off. I agree. The pot will be more for Calzaghe though. Neither Tarver nor Dawson are draws.

17y ago