Naz is comparing Tito to Margarito? what?

what is your take on Richardsons claim Hey, bro, actually I'd like to ask you what's your take on something else Richardson said (I asked this before in another thread but nobody addressed it). In the early articles after the fight, Naz was quoted as saying that after feeling one of the wraps he said, "Oh my goodness, this is too hard." But I thought the way these illegal wraps work is that they start off soft and then the sweat in the gloves makes them hard later on in the fight. Now Marg is known for coming back in the second half of bouts (or at least he did in the Cotto fight). But if the wrap felt hard before the fight (and assuming he did this before like a lot of people think) wouldn't that mean Marg would be more effective in earlier rounds (meaning 1st Round KO's) during his career?

This is whole thread turned into "blaming the mail man for your bills in your mail" kinda of deal.

nobody is blaming mexico you dumbass, they are blaming the ones responsible for it like Margarito's Camp, thats it, stop crying. You obviously didn't read some of the racists remarks on here saying "F*** Mexico." Some people did take it there.

Yo, give El Gallo a break;He never stated that tito was using illegal handwraps. He just posted a story which tries to incinuate that PR's are much of cheaters as Mexicant's. I hear you El Gallo. What's intriging about Naz's comments regarding tito? Uh nothing unless he is trying to intice Tito into a rematch against BHOP. Tito will now read this and say I want to fight BHOP and this time he an have someone in my dressing room even the media while I wrap my hands. HMMMM

Exacly, Nazim didnt say that a substance had fell from Titos Handwrap you cunt, it was supposedly "too much wrap" as KJB said Am giving you a new alt. welcome to the forum shot out:biggthump

Man you rock. Am a bit calmed down about the whole situation now so I think its time to just wait and see as you say. Not really adding anything other then am with you. :fing02: feb 10... then we should know by then!! on a side notee!!! once againn!!! BRING IT ON MARGIE VS COTTO II!! @ the garden!

wassup man! i aint betting on this.... im a margarito fan!! i would be dissapointed if any of this claim shit its true.. same shit they said with tito... and nothing happen.... now they are claiming that they have some shit.. well lets wait for the labs then... .then we keep debating this... soo.. im not trying to make any espaculation on this "thing" they found that the commision have.... they news by it selfs does it.. until the investigation.... i'll just wait. Man you rock. Am a bit calmed down about the whole situation now so I think its time to just wait and see as you say. Not really adding anything other then am with you.

Anybody want to bet that Marg is not guilty pm me.... wassup man! i aint betting on this.... im a margarito fan!! i would be dissapointed if any of this claim shit its true.. same shit they said with tito... and nothing happen.... now they are claiming that they have some shit.. well lets wait for the labs then... .then we keep debating this... soo.. im not trying to make any espaculation on this "thing" they found that the commision have.... they news by it selfs does it.. until the investigation.... i'll just wait.

I will address Naz's comments for you. Seeing as how it was Boui Fisher who called Tito out and not Naz at that point. Seeing as how this is the first time a foreign object in Tito's gloves has ever been mentioned. Seeing how Margarito just had something hard fall out of his gloves Seeing as how it is a quote read by your eyes, but not heard by your ears coming out of Naz's mouth. Naz was probably misquoted as he was probably talking about Margarito. There was probably Tito questions thrown his way and whoever wrote the article probably dropped the ball. Hows that for speaking on what Naz was quoted as saying? Good enough for you?

I saw this thread went to shit as soon as I read the title. The obvious thing to think is another Margo fan, frustrated and trying to bring a PR boxing icon with him down. This was a good post so I want to reply to it by parts. I actually don't think he did this to Margo to get into his head, he found a foreign substance along with blood on those gauzes, Richardson has been around the game for a long time, he saw a substance that could handicap or even kill his fighter, you think he was only trying to throw Margarito off by punching Capetillo on his mouth? Second time they wrapped him, he made them take the wraps off, that could very well be to throw him off his concentration. In Tito's case, there was a ton of people in that dressing room not just team Tito and Richardson, if a gauze had an illegal substance, does it make sense everybody agreed to keep it quiet and just say it was a bad wrap? I agree with you this discussion has turned racial and that's the reason why Tito was dragged into this. Tito beat all great Mexican fighters he came across, as soon as the wrap story came out, Mexicans along with others, labeled him as a dirty fighter for that, just keep that in mind. I agree again, whoever cheats should be dealt with, not only wraps but steroids as well Hey, man thank you for reading and responding to my post. I do agree that the if an illegal substance was found with Tito that would have come out in the media back then... at least I think so. I also think that no matter what, race is always gonna come into boxing discussions. Going all the way back to Jack Johnson up to Holmes vs. Cooney to even today with stuff like people calling Pac "The Mexicutioner." Race has been a big thing in America, why wouldn't it affect sports?

this is why im saying... that... IF MARGIE & TITO DID THE SAME THE NYSC IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.. BECAUSE THERE WRE NO PROVE OR EVIDENCE FROM TITOS FIGHT WITH HOPKINS LIKE THE ONE THEY HAVE WITH MARGIE.... read well... if it happens and nazim is telling the truth then it was the nysc who didnt do his job... now lets juts wait and see what those labs .. says about the "thing" or whatever shit they say they had. Anybody want to bet that Marg is not guilty pm me....

this is why im saying... that... IF MARGIE & TITO DID THE SAME THE NYSC IS NOT DOING HIS JOB.. BECAUSE THERE WRE NO PROVE OR EVIDENCE FROM TITOS FIGHT WITH HOPKINS LIKE THE ONE THEY HAVE WITH MARGIE.... read well... if it happens and nazim is telling the truth then it was the nysc who didnt do his job... now lets juts wait and see what those labs .. says about the "thing" or whatever shit they say they had.

I will address Naz's comments for you. Seeing as how it was Boui Fisher who called Tito out and not Naz at that point. Seeing as how this is the first time a foreign object in Tito's gloves has ever been mentioned. Seeing how Margarito just had something hard fall out of his gloves Seeing as how it is a quote read by your eyes, but not heard by your ears coming out of Naz's mouth. Naz was probably misquoted as he was probably talking about Margarito. There was probably Tito questions thrown his way and whoever wrote the article probably dropped the ball. Hows that for speaking on what Naz was quoted as saying? Good enough for you?

I never said it was your intention, dont take it so personal, I just said the way it sounded as soon as you read the title, I know you been fuked with in this thread but I've been fair. For the most part you have, I just don't like being accused of making a thread simply because Margarito is Mexican, and lost. I don't work that way. Paz

Dude, get it through your head, this has nothing to do with nationality. If Tito had been Chinese, and Richardson made the comments he made, I would have made the thread as well. Tito was one of my favorite fighters. In fact, I was the only Mexican in a house full of Mexicans rooting for him against DLH. Don't assume that because you think you know why I made this thread. You've helped turn it into shit by making your own assumptions of why it was made in the first place. You saw the words, "Tito" and "Margarito" mixed together and automatically went into defense mode without even knowing my stance on the subject. The people that turned it to shit are the ones who personally attacked me without even reading the damn article. Instead of focusing on what Naz said, they turned their anger towards the messenger. Again, its very odd that these comments would come from someone who was there, making similar accusations about handwraps 7 years ago. Leave your nationality out of it. I do it in 99% of my posts. I never said it was your intention, dont take it so personal, I just said the way it sounded as soon as you read the title, I know you been fuked with in this thread but I've been fair.

I saw this thread went to shit as soon as I read the title. The obvious thing to think is another Margo fan, frustrated and trying to bring a PR boxing icon with him down. This was a good post so I want to reply to it by parts. I actually don't think he did this to Margo to get into his head, he found a foreign substance along with blood on those gauzes, Richardson has been around the game for a long time, he saw a substance that could handicap or even kill his fighter, you think he was only trying to throw Margarito off by punching Capetillo on his mouth? Second time they wrapped him, he made them take the wraps off, that could very well be to throw him off his concentration. In Tito's case, there was a ton of people in that dressing room not just team Tito and Richardson, if a gauze had an illegal substance, does it make sense everybody agreed to keep it quiet and just say it was a bad wrap? I agree with you this discussion has turned racial and that's the reason why Tito was dragged into this. Tito beat all great Mexican fighters he came across, as soon as the wrap story came out, Mexicans along with others, labeled him as a dirty fighter for that, just keep that in mind. I agree again, whoever cheats should be dealt with, not only wraps but steroids as well Dude, get it through your head, this has nothing to do with nationality. If Tito had been Chinese, and Richardson made the comments he made, I would have made the thread as well. Tito was one of my favorite fighters. In fact, I was the only Mexican in a house full of Mexicans rooting for him against DLH. Don't assume that because you think you know why I made this thread. You've helped turn it into shit by making your own assumptions of why it was made in the first place. You saw the words, "Tito" and "Margarito" mixed together and automatically went into defense mode without even knowing my stance on the subject. The people that turned it to shit are the ones who personally attacked me without even reading the damn article. Instead of focusing on what Naz said, they turned their anger towards the messenger. Again, its very odd that these comments would come from someone who was there, making similar accusations about handwraps 7 years ago. Leave your nationality out of it. I do it in 99% of my posts.

Well, if Richardson later said that he was just getting into Tito's head with the accusations, then the same argument can be used in the Marg incident, although what makes it different is the "evidence" and investigation. But then again maybe Richardson has a bias against Latino fighters? Or maybe he's telling the 100% truth and both had the plastic-like thingy. Who knows? Really though, I know better than to go there with this, but I just feel compelled to say this. You can't separate SOME people's ethnic pride and/or racist beliefs when watching boxing (or doing anything else for that matter). To be dead honest, I think there's SOME reactionary feeling going on based on race that's why Tito gets dragged into this. I guess you should know before I go on that I'm Mexican, a Cali native who lives in NY, where's there's plenty of PRs obviously. (I've even been to the beautiful island and had fun.) Being Mexican, I don't like it when discussion goes from Marg is a cheater to F*** Mexico, as if one man's alleged actions speaks for a whole nation. Honestly, at least for me, when it starts getting to that level (and right when the fight was about to start I knew I was gonna come on here and read some "Mexicans are scumbags" BS) the reason I want to bring up Tito (and even Resto... although that's a whole another discussion) is really just to say to the racists that they are being hypocrites. I want to say IF Tito really did use illegal wraps then the beating he gave Vargas was f***ed up. But then I start thinking about it, and realize this shouldn't be a tit-for-tat discussion, like I'm keeping score in a video game. These are real people's lives and health. So, yeah, to recap... whoever uses illegal wraps should be dealth with. I hope for Cotto, Cintron, Vargas, whoever, that none of it's true. I saw this thread went to shit as soon as I read the title. The obvious thing to think is another Margo fan, frustrated and trying to bring a PR boxing icon with him down. This was a good post so I want to reply to it by parts. I actually don't think he did this to Margo to get into his head, he found a foreign substance along with blood on those gauzes, Richardson has been around the game for a long time, he saw a substance that could handicap or even kill his fighter, you think he was only trying to throw Margarito off by punching Capetillo on his mouth? Second time they wrapped him, he made them take the wraps off, that could very well be to throw him off his concentration. In Tito's case, there was a ton of people in that dressing room not just team Tito and Richardson, if a gauze had an illegal substance, does it make sense everybody agreed to keep it quiet and just say it was a bad wrap? I agree with you this discussion has turned racial and that's the reason why Tito was dragged into this. Tito beat all great Mexican fighters he came across, as soon as the wrap story came out, Mexicans along with others, labeled him as a dirty fighter for that, just keep that in mind. I agree again, whoever cheats should be dealt with, not only wraps but steroids as well

“Same thing with Tito’s hands,’’ said Richardson, then Hopkins’ trainer. “This plastic-like substance fell out from behind the gauze on Tito’s hands." by by Norm Frauenheim on 25 January 2009 15rounds.com If hes comparing this to Tito then Margarito should be safe and sound cause Tito aint a cheater....:afro:

Well, if Richardson later said that he was just getting into Tito's head with the accusations, then the same argument can be used in the Marg incident, although what makes it different is the "evidence" and investigation. But then again maybe Richardson has a bias against Latino fighters? Or maybe he's telling the 100% truth and both had the plastic-like thingy. Who knows? Really though, I know better than to go there with this, but I just feel compelled to say this. You can't separate SOME people's ethnic pride and/or racist beliefs when watching boxing (or doing anything else for that matter). To be dead honest, I think there's SOME reactionary feeling going on based on race that's why Tito gets dragged into this. I guess you should know before I go on that I'm Mexican, a Cali native who lives in NY, where's there's plenty of PRs obviously. (I've even been to the beautiful island and had fun.) Being Mexican, I don't like it when discussion goes from Marg is a cheater to F*** Mexico, as if one man's alleged actions speaks for a whole nation. Honestly, at least for me, when it starts getting to that level (and right when the fight was about to start I knew I was gonna come on here and read some "Mexicans are scumbags" BS) the reason I want to bring up Tito (and even Resto... although that's a whole another discussion) is really just to say to the racists that they are being hypocrites. I want to say IF Tito really did use illegal wraps then the beating he gave Vargas was f***ed up. But then I start thinking about it, and realize this shouldn't be a tit-for-tat discussion, like I'm keeping score in a video game. These are real people's lives and health. So, yeah, to recap... whoever uses illegal wraps should be dealth with. I hope for Cotto, Cintron, Vargas, whoever, that none of it's true.

I think that the guaze MArgo uses is pre used, there fore a little stiff .. so it looked more suspect w/ people in their going ooooooooooooh ahhhhhhhhhh it looks like plaster!!! .. If they are loaded then the fact they are pre used (with bloodstains and such) could be the end of Tony.