For the guys that say Roy Jones Jr ducked challenges in his prime...

a lot of people try to discredit whoever's p4p number one. from ali, to tyson, to jones. but roy jones resume would've been awesome if he had rematched hopkins, fought lewis, and fought calzaghe in the 90's. one win over toney, two over hopkins, one over lewis, and one over calzaghe. The mere fact that someone would even suggest that Jones should've fought Lewis speaks volumes to his talent and rank in historu.

a lot of people try to discredit whoever's p4p number one. from ali, to tyson, to jones. but roy jones resume would've been awesome if he had rematched hopkins, fought lewis, and fought calzaghe in the 90's. one win over toney, two over hopkins, one over lewis, and one over calzaghe. Not discredit, but they are more critical and so they should be if you are meant to be the best p4p fighter in the world you should have to keep proving yourself. Most p4p fighters these days use thier status to put their feet up a chill and hand pick their oponents.

I don't even think that Jones ducked any of them (although it's reported that Jones didn't like Nunn's southpaw style) but it's ridiculous to say that Jones' shouldn't have fought them just because he could've, would've, should've beaten them. A lot of fights throughout boxing history wouldn't have been made with that attitude. Sure he would've been favoured against any of them but not by as much as against Richard Frazier, Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza, Bryant Brannon, etc. Good post These type of threads always cause trouble, because people like to bicker about who allegedly ducked who. when in reality we will never know. All i know is Roy could of found better opponents to fight than Brannon,Kelly, etc etc.

Perception is reality. Oscar De La Hoya fought everyone. Roy Jones ducked everyone. Yet somehow it was Jones giving a rematch to Tarver after a tough fight, then coming back to fight him for a third time following a near two year layoff. Oscar, on the other hand, avoided rematches with Pea Whitaker, Ike Quartey and Felix Trinidad among others but easily granted one to...Julio Cesar Chavez. Oh wait, he gave one to Shane Mosley too. No...not immediately after. He retired...then waited till Mosley hadn't won a fight in three years and was thought finished. Rematch granted. You gotta love it.

This is the way i see it, if Roy wanted to duck fighters he would never had faced Tarver after beating Ruiz or would never have given him a rematch. But the kind of fighter he is, he faced these challenges. The same goes with his fight against Johnson. He could have fought the eubanks/benns etc, but it takes two people to make a fight happen. You cant blame Roy for these fights not happening.

Hopkins Toney Malinga-who beat Benn and Eubank Lucas Tate In roughly three years. Standards are a funny thing.

I didnt make this thread to 'nuthug' Roy. I just wanted to see what guys people thought Roy was ment to fight..I fully understand fellow boxing fans critisizing Floyd for not fighting Margarito and Cotto. But Roy fought nearly everyone he had too. Does a win over Benn or Eubank make his resume greater? You know, this is what i cant understand about some boxing fans. Why critisize a fighter, when theres nothing to critisize him for? The thing is, 10 years from now it'll be the same fans praising Roy. Roy was the best fighter of the 90's, this ent not nuthugging, its a fact. I'm a boxing fan more than any fan of a particular fighter. So far Roy is ment to have fought the following guys accoring to some posters: 1) Benn 2) Eubank 3) Collins 4) Nunn 5) Dariusz Michalczewski 6) Gerald McCllean Now honestly ask yourselfs the chances the above fighters have of beating Roy. Please be honest. Some would have had solid chances. It's why fights occur...to find out who wins. If they'd never fought, history would say a brawler like Basilio or Fullmer, or awkward boxer like Turpin had no chance against Robinson. Many felt Tarver (I was not one of them EVER) would have no chance with Roy. There were fair reasons some of the fights didn't happen but to just write them off as inconsequential is ignorant at the highest degree. Roy fought in a 168 lb. class that was LOADED and really only got Toney. Great win, but to say he couldn't do more, or that a Eubank win wouldn't be infinitely more impressive than the tripe he defended against at 68 (Pazienza? Byrd?) is retarded.

Tate was a very good boxer, if memory serves it was he who pulled out for notorious Pudwell defence that everyone hammer Mr Calzaghe for. Tate was solid for a long time, sprung quite a few upsets (Oshana, Kiwanuka, Sheika).Talked a lot of trash to Jones beforehand. The left hook that flattened him in the second was picture-perfect.

Thomas Tate is another extremely underrated win. Tate was a very good boxer, if memory serves it was he who pulled out for notorious Pudwell defence that everyone hammer Mr Calzaghe for.

So far Roy is ment to have fought the following guys accoring to some posters: 1) Benn 2) Eubank 3) Collins 4) Nunn 5) Dariusz Michalczewski 6) Gerald McCllean Now honestly ask yourselfs the chances the above fighters have of beating Roy. Please be honest. I don't even think that Jones ducked any of them (although it's reported that Jones didn't like Nunn's southpaw style) but it's ridiculous to say that Jones' shouldn't have fought them just because he could've, would've, should've beaten them. A lot of fights throughout boxing history wouldn't have been made with that attitude. Sure he would've been favoured against any of them but not by as much as against Richard Frazier, Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza, Bryant Brannon, etc.

You can always create a list of names. The idea of McClellan even being on that list is hilarious. And one can even make the same argument using almost the same names to claim that Toney ducked those guys too. Or that Calzaghe did as well. Yep, i totally agree. Ive just put up a list of fighters Roy should have fought made by other posters. These are the fighters that posters on this website think Roy should have fought. Its totally ridiculous.

I think, to some extent, that he did struggle in those fights. Most notably against Tarver but Harding, Hopkins and Griffin (for the first time) were also able to compete with Roy unlike most of his opposition. He didn't exactly look like "Superman" against them. Many might underrate his overall resume but it shouldn't be forgotten either that for many years, boxing fans had to go through watching him fight overmatched opposition while better opponents were seemingly out there. I can't say whose fault it was but the fact is that those fights did not happen which hurts Jones' resume. He was the pound for pound number 1 after all, just think of the criticism Mayweather gets for fighting Baldomir, Judah, even Hatton instead of other welterweights. I think Jones' opposition at 175 towers over Floyd's at 140/147. But I agree with you. Watching him fight guys like Otis Grant was maddening.

I think that the fighters like Michalczewski and the other Europeans are just as guilty as Jones is for why these fights didn't happen, they didn't want to come over here and Roy didn't want to go over there. I do believe he avoided a Hopkins rematch though but outside of that i can't see anyone that he clearly ducked. People probably believe he avoided people because of how dominant he looked. Hill, Tarver, Ruiz, Reggie Johnson, Hopkins, Toney, Harding ect are some good fighters and have been at the top for a long time. I think if he had struggled with them a bit, then he wouldn't get as criticized. I think, to some extent, that he did struggle in those fights. Most notably against Tarver but Harding, Hopkins and Griffin (for the first time) were also able to compete with Roy unlike most of his opposition. He didn't exactly look like "Superman" against them. Some might underrate his overall resume but it shouldn't be forgotten either that for many years, the boxing fans had to go through watching him fight overmatched opposition while better opponents were seemingly out there. I can't say for sure whose fault it was but the fact is that those fights did not happen which hurts Jones' resume. He was the pound for pound number 1 after all, just think of the criticism Mayweather gets for fighting Baldomir, Judah, even Hatton instead of other welterweights.

I didnt make this thread to 'nuthug' Roy. I just wanted to see what guys people thought Roy was ment to fight..I fully understand fellow boxing fans critisizing Floyd for not fighting Margarito and Cotto. But Roy fought nearly everyone he had to at Light Heavy. Does a win over Benn or Eubank make his resume greater? You know, this is what i cant understand about some boxing fans. Why critisize a fighter, when theres nothing to critisize him for? The thing is, 10 years from now it'll be the same fans praising Roy. Roy was the best fighter of the 90's, this ent not nuthugging, its a fact. I'm a boxing fan more than any fan of a particular fighter. So far Roy is ment to have fought the following guys accoring to some posters: 1) Benn 2) Eubank 3) Collins 4) Nunn 5) Dariusz Michalczewski 6) Gerald McCllean Now honestly ask yourselfs the chances the above fighters have of beating Roy. Please be honest. You can always create a list of names. The idea of McClellan even being on that list is hilarious. And one can even make the same argument using almost the same names to claim that Toney ducked those guys too. Or that Calzaghe did as well.

I didnt make this thread to 'nuthug' Roy. I just wanted to see what guys people thought Roy was ment to fight..I fully understand fellow boxing fans critisizing Floyd for not fighting Margarito and Cotto. But Roy fought nearly everyone he had too. Does a win over Benn or Eubank make his resume greater? You know, this is what i cant understand about some boxing fans. Why critisize a fighter, when theres nothing to critisize him for? The thing is, 10 years from now it'll be the same fans praising Roy. Roy was the best fighter of the 90's, this ent not nuthugging, its a fact. I'm a boxing fan more than any fan of a particular fighter. So far Roy is ment to have fought the following guys accoring to some posters: 1) Benn 2) Eubank 3) Collins 4) Nunn 5) Dariusz Michalczewski 6) Gerald McCllean Now honestly ask yourselfs the chances the above fighters have of beating Roy. Please be honest.

Toney was only in the division for 18 months. End 92 -mid 94. He fought 3 of the top ranked US SMW and buggered off, hardly Eubank/Collins/Benns fault. Never said it was there fault. Just pointing out that the people who make claims don't know what they're talking about. Like the people who think Calzaghe was a factor in 1996-00, let alone someone to duck. Jones only defended his 160 title once but prior to meeting Toney he had fought some of the tougher guys in the division, the Josh Clottey's of that era, if you will. Sugarboy Malinga had beaten Chris Eubank and fought admirably against Benn. Jones KO'ed him in six. Malinga would go on to add wins over Benn & Robin Reid to his dossier. Thomas Tate is another extremely underrated win. The one Jones fight that should've been made was the Micalchewski fight. HBO should've done everything in its power to make it happen. Perhaps Jones was reluctant, perhaps Michalchewski was blowing smoke. But that was one fight Jones missed.

Did he duck McClellan before or after he went deaf and blind? Did he duck Benn before or after Benn lost to Malinga? Who then got KTFO by Jones. Why didn't these guys fight Toney, the best fighter in the division?Toney was only in the division for 18 months. End 92 -mid 94. He fought 3 of the top ranked US SMW and buggered off, hardly Eubank/Collins/Benns fault.

Did he duck McClellan before or after he went deaf and blind? Did he duck Benn before or after Benn lost to Malinga? Why didn't these guys fight Toney, the best fighter in the division?

Other than a prime Calzaghe who was he meant to fight? And Calzaghe clearly stated that he had no intention of fighting Roy. Please keep in mind that Roy was not about to leave the US to fight, which is obviously justifiable since his olympic robbery. I'm not sure why he was "meant" to fight a prime Calzaghe? These guys were in different weight classes. Roy moved up to light heavy a whole year before Calzaghe even won a belt. People go on about these two not fighting, avoiding each other, etc., but it's like saying welterweights are ducking the light-middleweights. Just because we want to see a fight, doesn't mean it must happen. Also, let's get it straight -- Calzaghe never said he had "no intentions of fighting Jones." What he did say is, if he fought him, he'd want the crown jewels for doing so (obviously meaning a huge payday). He also said "if Jones wants it, let's get it on", and talked about who was the best at SMW. It's quite understandable why these two didn't fight. There is actually no good reason for anyone to suggest that Calzaghe avoided Jones. As for Benn, he did talk about fighting Jones a number of times. Check the interview after the McClellan fight for starters. Nigel was always respectful and acknowledged Jones' talent, but certainly did talk about fighting him and was never afraid of doing so. A Michalczewski fight would have been very interesting. I'd like to have seen this. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Pretty sure those rankings are from the thread where Horus tried to talk down on Roy and compare him to PBF, and Reed had to put em in his place. Good shit btw.It's ok I found them anyway, It has shown me how alot of people talk total bollocks about certain fighters and the respective ranking of their opposition. http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings