hatton hands down. 1st moving up in weight to challenge P4P king at the time PBF (a prime Floyd by the way). now he's facing current P4P king Pacman. calzaghe never took risk. if u call a 43 year old and a 40 year old a risk than ur a bias calzaghe fan
Hatton, easily... had the balls to move up a weight and fight Floyd Mayweather because he simply wanted to fight the best fighters... win or lose... he gets my respect for trying. Also taking up a fight with Manny Pacquiao which I also think is a bit of a risk... I think there is a goo chance of Hatton losing, but once again he gets my respect for fighting him in the first place and trying to fight the best out there.
As for Calzaghe, he has had a great achievement... undefeated in 46 pro fights, and looks to be retiring undefeated, but I gotta say Hatton has took more risks no doubt.
No,he never said he wouldn't face Jones but he did say the purse would have to be monumental in order to risk it. At the time Jones was ranked high in the P4P charts and was the draw, so the split would not of favored Joe. I think he would of at least been smart enough to realize that. There is no need to take the quote out of context as it is plain to see the meaning. Jones=could lose my 0 so I want a mega payday{Crown Jewels} to fight him.
Oscar was heavily criticized for his fight with Pacman especially after the loss, I don't know how you could of missed that.....
He did once say he didn't want to face Jones - in 2003, shortly after Jones beat Ruiz.
Oscar's contradiction has been mentioned many times on this board and he was ridiculed by most of the members of this forum for choseing Pacman over Margarito. I never said other boxers don't talk nonsense but Calzaghe is always excused for his blips by certain posters.
The comment where he nearly admitted his chances with a prime Jones are slim to none was made in 2003 after the comments you posted. These were Calzaghe's latest thoughts on the subject. So IMO they should hold more weight.
I'm not excusing Joe's comments and said they were daft, but people say things at times that can be taken out of context. This isn't an overly strong comment saying he wouldn't face him, by any means. Further still people say things in the heat of the moment they may not mean or stand by, or truly think. It's not worth getting worked up about and ranting about like it means something profound, frankly doing so looks a little desperate to criticise with any little thing.
Saying the later comment holds more weight is a rather convenient overly simplistic way of looking at it. He didn't even say he wouldn't face Jones in that comment, yet loads of times he actually said he wanted to definitely fight him and is not scared of him, bring it on. So it's clear to me no matter who says such things, that the more regularly said stronger comments hold more weight. Further still why would Calzaghe say I'll face Jones post 2004 when he's been knocked out a few times, just to be 'the latest comment'. That doesn't make sense given he was being knocked out. He's said also I'm pretty sure post 2004 that he would have faced Jones back in the day, and only did because he got on the winning trail again.
I disagree that Osca got more criticism than Calzaghe. I'm on these boards a lot and read through a lot of threads on those topics, and Calzaghe got far more criticism than the direct clear and profounder contradictions of Osca's as far as I saw.
Hatton easily him fighting Mayweather trumped Joe fighting unproven prospects and old legends. Cant wait for your next installment Who hits harder George Foreman or Chris Byrd
There's no need to get lemon you prick!
This is a typical Kris post. tons of excuses. There is an excuse for EVERYTHING stupid Calzaghe does.
Bottom line, Calzaghe can huff and puff and talk about Jones all he wanted. Fact is he never did JACK SHIT to TRY and get that fight. All he always had were excuses.
The quote above reveals why he didn't try harder to get that fight.
http://i39.tinypic.com/24fgp68.jpg
and this is from hbo who are american based.:haha:
END OF THREAD.
Hatton easily him fighting Mayweather trumped Joe fighting unproven prospects and old legends. Cant wait for your next installment Who hits harder George Foreman or Chris Byrd
He took a real risk Giving Robin Reid that rematch too. What a warrior!
He offered Tocker Pudwill a rematch, but pulled it off the table when it looked like Tucker would accept
Calzaghe loves to contradict himself so maybe he did say those things but which one should anyone believe?
He has done but then so have a lot of Boxers, ODL says he won't face Hatton as he's a natural lighter guy and should stay at LWW, so will face Margarito Cotto winner. Then he won't face Cotto because like his GF, he is Puerto Rican. Won't face Margarito because like him he's Mexican.
Then he faces someone even lighter than Hatton in Pacman. And he wants the Hatton fight now.
These are majorly worse contradictions of current times in closer times periods, yet hardly get mentioned. And that's just one boxer. A little odd.
Like I say, yes Calzaghe made that one comment on probably not fancying his chances against Jones, but didn't say definitely or wouldn't face him really. Plus it was one comment once, a lot of boxers are confident most of the time but have blips in confidence, heck Haye was un confident and contradictory talking about the HW's in the pre Barrett presser, saying I'd retire if Monte beat him even as he'd look silly and would realise he's not the real deal. Hardly in line with his usual comments were used to.
Like I say and all I'm saying is, Calzaghe did factually, speak out more emphatically and more often about being more than willing to face Jones on a few occasions, imo out weighing that one off rather light comment. Still a daft thing to say though admitted.
Hatton, that's only because the biggest risk (and only risk) Calzaghe took was against someone called Lacy.
The same Lacy the appeared all of a sudden, los, then disappeared.
Last i heard of him was he was schooled silly by Taylor
It's not just your opinion Calzaghe feels the same way.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-5499540-details/I+am+the+best,+says+honest+Joe+/article.do
Maybe he was joking when he said this?
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it."
You clearly choose what you dismiss, but unfortunately he spoke about being willing to face Jones more emphatically many more times then that one comment, some examples;
"I have no fear whatsoever of Jones... I would jump on the next plane to the States and defend my title against him in his own backyard if the opportunity arose,"
"I am the best super-middleweight in the world and I am out to prove that I am the best fighter on the planet. If Jones disagrees, lets get it on,"
"Jones is supposed to be the best fighter in the world at the moment. A showdown between us has got to happen to prove who is the best."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/921983.stm
I think Kris is on point with his opinion... BS you should chill a little... he came out and said Ricky took more risks over his favorite fighter... that deserves something.
It's not just your opinion Calzaghe feels the same way.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-5499540-details/I+am+the+best,+says+honest+Joe+/article.do
Maybe he was joking when he said this?
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it."
Damn LOL. That doesn't scream:
''Hey, am Joe Calzaghe and i want to fight the best and take all risks''
What that really screams is:
''Hey, am Joe Calzaghe and i won't fight anyone who puts my '0' at risk because it's my dream to retire undefeated like Rocky Marciano!''
Hatton took way more risks.
The question it comes down too, without all the excuses or defense of Joe is this:
Who was more dangerous:
Floyd Maweather in his prime?
Or Bernard Hopkins (43)?
I'm no Hatton fan, but he wanted to fight the best and he did. Props to him.
Ya because a difference of a few places in the p4p rankings is huge right? Hopkins didn't have equally if not more in some ways, impressive wins over top fighters at those times.
Look I've already said Hatton took more risks I just don't think so to quite extent you un surprisingly like to claim. I wouldn't predict consensus but you probably didn't even predict I'd vote Hatton over Calzaghe. That goes to show your level of cynicism on these matters. I know you'd love to litter the thread with anti Calzaghe stuff like a fly to shit. But I'm not gona play ball anymore, tis all dude.
Kabary Salem
Mger Mkrtchian
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Charles Brewer
Will McIntyre
Mario Veit
Richie Woodhall
Omar Sheika
David Starie
Rick Thornberry
Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra
Branko Sobot
Another day, another paragraph of excuses from KrisSilver. Hatton stepped up. Joe didn't.
Another day, another shitty cynical post from bsshitpack. Notice I began by saying Hatton took more risks, and thus more so than Calzaghe, more impressive. He did yes, step up. Took more risks. What more do you want bs, blood? One doesn't share your cynical opinion to the extent you do so they must be the one whom is less balanced, despite stating Hatton took more risks in the very first line.