yo eventho i think pavlik was overrated a little i dont think everyone should start assuming he's a bum now. he's still a very good fighter and STILL the best at 160.
He has been exposed boxer12....the blueprint to beat him has been written by Dr. Bernard Sherman Hopkins, Jr.
Exactly if he didn't gas after the 10th round in the rematch, Jermaine Taylor would have beaten him.
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i totally agree.
BUT...i dont think abraham can beat him at 160.
Pavlik was seriously overrated on this forum before the Hopkins fight, I mean he sounds like a cool and humble dude and all but **** me, people were acting like he was a reincarnation of Carlos "****in" Monzon, they wanted him to face Calzaghe but he'd get slapped silly against Joe in a lacy-esque performance.
lol wow........ all u did was repeat what u heard hopkins said after the fight........ Lamply said "After systematically dismantling pavlik, Hopkins then took him under his wing..." I can guarantee that we see a much more technically sound pavlik in feb..... and thats no thanks to jack loew
Dude, you just don't get it, do you? All you did is repeat what Lampley said and jump to conclusions.
Here's some of what Hopkins said. It's hard to decipher all of it due to the microphone positioning.
"Only thing you need is the slick stuff, baby. I ain't taking away from pops... you get the slick stuff, you'll fight like a black fighter. I'm sayin' it from a culture standpoint. You get that slickness together, and bend your damn knees like your coach was saying, you'll be a bad son of a bitch. Aight? Don't let this fight destroy you, man. If I gotta come up there and get your ass out to the gym with a baseball bat I'll do it. I mean that man, I'm a real dude. I'm a real dude from the streets, but I ain't ignorant."
"This is your destiny, you a middleweight. Rule it like I ruled it, aight? Seriously, I'ma come and find your ass. Love ya. Respect, aight? You're family. You aight?", to which Kelly replied "Yes, I'm fine", and seemed grateful for the talk. Hopkins: "Remember what I said, man."
So yeah, Hopkins did kinda take Kelly under his wing, he obviously respects Kelly. But that does not mean he is coaching him.
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ok explain then....... i mean u must know somethin..... other than how hopkins' dick taste
Wow. Can anyone post anything around here with being accused of being gay, a fanboy, a nuthugger, or whatever is the current fashionable insult to use nowadays?
Listen up. Hopkins told Pavlik to get straight back in the gym and listen to his coach. Bend his knees and get some slickness like a black fighter. He said if Kelly doesn't do that, he'll go over there with a baseball bat and make him do it. I forget the exact wording, but I have the video right here on my PC. I can type it out for you, but do I have to?
Regardless, how does that translate into "Hopkins is training Pavlik"?
You have simply misinterpreted what Hopkins was saying. If Hopkins was training him, it would be big news in the boxing world.
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Hopkins is not training Pavlik. If he was, we'd know about it.
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Which fight?
He must mean the Pavlik fight. In which case, he'd be wrong.
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The odds very often reflect the momentary fads and fashions. Pavlik was the flavor of the month so he gets all the accolades. Nobody likes Hopkins so of course people, including, the odds makers, dismiss his skill and ability. Have you forgotten that Hopkins was also an underdog to Felix Trinidad? Styles make fights and Hopkins clearly had a style advantage over both Pavlik and Trinidad. Why they would have chosen Hopkins as an opponent is a mystery to me.
No way man, I haven't forgotten about Hopkins being the underdog against Trinidad. I picked Hopkins in that fight too. Against Pavlik, it seemed obvious to me that Hopkins would give Pavlik a boxing lesson. There was comments all over the forums like "Kelly is gonna be the first man to KO Hopkins!" and "Hopkins will be KO'd within ___ rounds, he's got no chance!", and ridiculous shit like this.
I guess most people just didn't see Pavlik's limitations at the time.
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I still find it hard to believe that Hopkins was a 4 to 1 underdog against Pavlik.
The odds very often reflect the momentary fads and fashions. Pavlik was the flavor of the month so he gets all the accolades. Nobody likes Hopkins so of course people, including, the odds makers, dismiss his skill and ability. Have you forgotten that Hopkins was also an underdog to Felix Trinidad? Styles make fights and Hopkins clearly had a style advantage over both Pavlik and Trinidad. Why they would have chosen Hopkins as an opponent is a mystery to me.
When did Jim Lampley mention Hopkins training Pavlik? Nobody on the board seems to know anything about it.
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I still find it hard to believe that Hopkins was a 4 to 1 underdog against Pavlik.
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Lol....... Aa beatin pavlik....... Stupid fans cant see the obvious..... Aa lost to miranda, or if it wasnt for the bullshit points take away he wouldve, and kelly only lost to hopkinS!!!! Omg 1 fight!!!! And hopkins is like co-traing him now.... Kelly is about to be an indestructable force in the middle weight division
Hopkins co-training the guy who basically said Hopkins is a crap fighter and that he has no idea how Hopkins beat him... You obviously didn't see that interview that Pavlik gave after the Hopkins fight
There's no certainty AA will beat Pavlik. The way AA fights Pavlik could definitely beat him.
The way AA fights? AA gives movement and has a solid defense, but leaves his body open. But if Pavlik tries to throw a body shot, it is also leaving himself open to an AA counter punch.
funny to read post like this...cuz a few months ago pavlik was this unstoppable force
He has been exposed boxer12....the blueprint to beat him has been written by Dr. Bernard Sherman Hopkins, Jr.
Exactly if he didn't gas after the 10th round in the rematch, Jermaine Taylor would have beaten him.
Does Kelly Pavlik throw hooks?
He has long arms, if he threw hooks he'd probably leave himself open to a counter unless he has good leg movement to avoid counter punches.