normally i could understand how some of you seein this as a close fight that went the wrong way...
but the fact is even those of you that thought it was close thought it was a close decision that went the WRONG way!!!
in my mind the only debate is whether holyfield won by a wide margin or not
haye is bigger faster younger and hits harder than holyfield in my opinion...
his chin may be suspect but it wont matter because valuev is so slow that he won't land any good clean shots...
think about it how often was holyfield in serious trouble from something valuev threw during that fight?
people think valuev can land big knockout shots because of his size... he doesn't actually hit that hard, and he's really slow and static...
BatTheMan and Tunney are you saying this fight was NOT a robbery
Yeah, but thats not the subject for this thread. I have posted in BPP's thread on that subject and the discussion belongs there. Here it's Haye-Valuev please.
haye wins by TKO will hit the big slow ugly mother ****ing mong till the ref or corner stepped in would be an amazingly easy fight for haye who would use lateral movement to confuse the dumb **** then bang with an hayemaker!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/Holyfield-is-robbed;_ylt=AkyBppe3t7jfGKZK1oWuEYGUxLYF?urn=box,130517
:lol1: This one states they scored it for Holyfield
Wrong thread. Delete this one and stick that in the other thread, well done for finding though.
Yahoo! Sports scored it for Valuev, 116-112.
Here it is:
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ro-evander122008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
"Yahoo! Sports scored it 116-112 for Valuev, primarily on account of Holyfield’s remorseless reluctance to throw leather in the second half of the contest."
It's not entirely clear if they did tbh, other legit Yahoo pages their score it for Holyfield.
Who did you have winning, scores?
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/Holyfield-is-robbed;_ylt=AkyBppe3t7jfGKZK1oWuEYGUxLYF?urn=box,130517
Yahoo! Sports gives the win to Holyfield 116-112.
Are you ok
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ro-evander122008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Did you watch via stream?
Based on last nights performance I think Haye would take it. Mutliply Evanders speed by a few notches and you have Haye, plus he throws a lot more.
Plus despite his size, I'm not sure Valuev would be quick enough or powerful enough to be likely to KO Haye.
Interesting fight. But Hayes decided to take the more direct difficult route.
You are ok with this decision what a joke and bias poster you are
116-112 Holyfield
No way could this fight been scored for Valuev or even a draw
Please accept that others have different opinions than you do.
Here's what american Yahoo thinks: "Yahoo! Sports scored it 116-112 for Valuev, primarily on account of Holyfield’s remorseless reluctance to throw leather in the second half of the contest."
Did you watch via stream?
I think Haye would be better off fighting Nicolai Valuev than one of the Klit's.
But does he have what it takes to defeat the giant?
Does Holyfield have what it takes to defeat the giant? Apparently most of the people posting in this forum think so. Valuev obviously has no idea how to handle opponents who move.
What are you trying to get at?? That it was ok the judges to score the fight to Valuev
I am ok with the decision. It was a close (and boring) fight. A lot of close rounds that could go either way so I'm ok.
How did you score it?
What you mean he nearly pull it off, what was your scorecard
I had Holyfield 115-113. But that's irrelevant as the judges, who were ringside, saw it differently. Valuev got a majority decision so Holyfield was close.
Haye by comprehensive UD. His chin isn't an issue, as Valuev would never hit it.
The only question mark is whether Haye can adapt his style, as he would need to. He would need to fight much more defensively rather than looking for a KO he will never get, but even doing that he should still take every round.
I think Haye would be better off fighting Nicolai Valuev than one of the Klit's.
But does he have what it takes to defeat the giant?
huH? Did you see the fight? The guy is awful... All three of them should beat him.
Valuev had one bad fight which was yesterday, and now people hate him.
Damn fickle little girls.... HA HA HA.
I wouldnt say he had a bad fight. He fought the way he always does. Holyfield had taken a page out of Chageev's blueprint for defeating Valuev, and Holyfield nearly pulled it off.
Question is if Haye has the skills to do the same. I cannot see Haye knocking Valuev out TBH.