Zag's ain't a pussy. But Dawson would beat him...

Dawson isn't particularly bigger than Joe anymore, infact in terms of who would come into the ring heavier, I'd say Joe would now. Dawson is a relatively small LHW in comparison to others. He's not far off the weight walking around and Joe has always squeezed down to SMW, and is now a pretty big LHW. He wouldn't be bullied in that ring and has a tough chin, there's no way Dawson's KOing him. There's also no way Calzaghe KO's Dawson. Dawson is much bigger than Calzaghe, and all you have to do really is look at their body and frames. Dawson is 6'3, a NATURAL light heavyweight and has been there for years. You have to realize that both fighters that Joe fought at 175 started out at lower weight divisions, and Hopkins was even able to out muscle him. I don't see Dawson stopping Joe in this fight but if anyone is being stopped, it would be Calzaghe. He has been down in his last two fights, but both fighters that got them hurt did not go after him because of their age. Dawson has not even peaked yet and is full of energy, he would be more than happy to press the fight if he had got Joe in trouble. That fight would not be won on power, it would be won on a combination of speed, angles, adapting, ring intelligence and clever offence. Calzaghe wins on all those fronts I'm afraid, and takes a relatively clear UD. IMO Dawson is much more ring intelligent than Calzaghe is. The difference is that Dawson has out smarted other boxers, with as Joe has out smarted pressure fighters, brawlers and fighters that are one dimsensional. I wonder how he would force his speed and volume punching on his first true southpaw, natural light heavyweight and stronger opponent? I just can't see it happening, Dawson is much too big. What people have to realize is that Johnson has power and is a natural light heavyweight as well, and that is the only reason why he boxed and used the ring. Dawson would keep the fight in the middle of the ring and use his superior outside boxing skills and younger legs to win the fight. Tactically i just can't see Joe boxing with Dawson and doing well. His best bet is do what he always does, which is to out work and out flurry Chad. It could happen if Dawson paces himself the way he did against Tarver, but he only did that because he wanted to tire Tarver out because of his age.

With Dawson's speed, naturally bigger size and good punch, he wouldn't allow Joe to get off that many punches and allow himself to be back up. Dawson would not be the one backing up, hes the naturally stronger fighter and would be bringing the fight to Calzaghe. Tarver and Johnson could punch and they are as big as Dawson is, and that's the only reason why he boxed them and used the ring. Joe is not only smaller but he doesn't have any kind of power. Dawson isn't particularly bigger than Joe anymore, infact in terms of who would come into the ring heavier, I'd say Joe would now. Dawson is a relatively small LHW in comparison to others. He's not far off the weight walking around and Joe has always squeezed down to SMW, and is now a pretty big LHW. He wouldn't be bullied in that ring and has a tough chin, there's no way Dawson's KOing him. There's also no way Calzaghe KO's Dawson. That fight would not be won on power, it would be won on a combination of speed, angles, adapting, ring intelligence and clever offence. Calzaghe wins on all those fronts I'm afraid, and takes a relatively clear UD.

Your own words betray you. No Bernard Hopkins is not sh*t and neither is Chad Dawson for toughing it out against an infinitely stiffer challenge than Segundo Mercado. You want to say Calzaghe wins easy, cool. Nothing wrong with that. But why are there a select group of people who are eager to rush Calzaghe into retirement rather than watch a match-up between the two best light heavyweights in the world? Funny, these same people weren't saying that about the Jones fight although they're predictions of an easy win for Joe are the same thing they're spouting now. And Dawson is much more deserving. As real boxing fans, what do we want? An undefeated pound for pounder to retire or to face a young, proven champ who's resume this early in his career already surpasses Calzaghe's at a similar stage? I'm not sure if Dawson beats Hopkins or Calzaghe but I do know that he may be too much risk for fighters who are more about business. And that's where Calzaghe's at. But if Calzaghe wants business, Dawson makes the most sense. It's a fight we'd all want to see (I think) and for those who want to pretend Dawson's a nobody and Calzaghe's a superduperstar, please refer to the "superstar" sales of Calzaghe-Jones, the mediocre returns on Calzaghe-Hopkins and the lowest HBO viewer ratings for boxing in its history (Calzaghe-Kessler). Then note the HBO announcer asking Calzaghe immediately following the Jones fight whether he would fight Dawson. Then remind yourself who was negotiating on Dawson's behalf with Mikkel Kessler's team? They're offering Hopkins again or Dawson and I guarantee the numbers won't be too different. Joe's already ruled out Hopkins and seems to want to take a little furlough. HBO is trying to get Dawson a "name" fight where he can stake his claim as the most worthy challenger. Neither are superstars but they really don't have too many other places to go (well Joe doesn't, anyway). I agree with Clegg 100%. This is an incredible match-up and an incredible opportunity for Joe. I hope he takes it. Damn..... great ****ing post....

Yeah, so? Then he got up and won the fight by a massive margin. The dude was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought except maybe Bika, and he handled his ass too. Hopkins was put down twice by Mercado. I suppose Hopkins is shit now too? In fact anyone who ever got a flash KD is obviously shit. It all makes sense! Your own words betray you. No Bernard Hopkins is not sh*t and neither is Chad Dawson for toughing it out against an infinitely stiffer challenge than Segundo Mercado. You want to say Calzaghe wins easy, cool. Nothing wrong with that. But why are there a select group of people who are eager to rush Calzaghe into retirement rather than watch a match-up between the two best light heavyweights in the world? Funny, these same people weren't saying that about the Jones fight although they're predictions of an easy win for Joe are the same thing they're spouting now. And Dawson is much more deserving. As real boxing fans, what do we want? An undefeated pound for pounder to retire or to face a young, proven champ who's resume this early in his career already surpasses Calzaghe's at a similar stage? I'm not sure if Dawson beats Hopkins or Calzaghe but I do know that he may be too much risk for fighters who are more about business. And that's where Calzaghe's at. But if Calzaghe wants business, Dawson makes the most sense. It's a fight we'd all want to see (I think) and for those who want to pretend Dawson's a nobody and Calzaghe's a superduperstar, please refer to the "superstar" sales of Calzaghe-Jones, the mediocre returns on Calzaghe-Hopkins and the lowest HBO viewer ratings for boxing in its history (Calzaghe-Kessler). Then note the HBO announcer asking Calzaghe immediately following the Jones fight whether he would fight Dawson. Then remind yourself who was negotiating on Dawson's behalf with Mikkel Kessler's team? They're offering Hopkins again or Dawson and I guarantee the numbers won't be too different. Joe's already ruled out Hopkins and seems to want to take a little furlough. HBO is trying to get Dawson a "name" fight where he can stake his claim as the most worthy challenger. Neither are superstars but they really don't have too many other places to go (well Joe doesn't, anyway). I agree with Clegg 100%. This is an incredible match-up and an incredible opportunity for Joe. I hope he takes it.

from what i've seen of Dawson, he has all the physical attributes to give Calzaghe trouble and decent boxing skills, but he isn't particularly good mentally maybe he's still green or whatever, but Calzaghe would completely outsmart him and work him over... it'd be the Kessler fight all over again

Yeah, and the fact that Hopkins had already beaten Dawson's last two opponents...let's not mention that. I like Calzaghe and Dawson. I would cheer for these guys against anyone at 175+ It's a shame that if they do fight, it seems as if the forum will be split into 'Calzaghe is shit, Dawson will destroy him' vs 'Dawson is shit, Calzaghe will destroy him', rather than something a bit more sensible. Virtually every thread on here is just two or more nuthuggers who refuse to listen to valid criticism or logic arguing with one another. Best post in this thread.......

I like Chad and all but he isn't ready for someone like Calzaghe. He wont be able to stand up to his constant pressure.

who is this calzaghe guy and why would dawson fight him

Excuse me? Provide some evidence of this. What is this in reference to? Quotes from you. ''Lets not mention Hopkins beat Dawson's last two opponents''. ''Lets not mention Tarver was past his prime when Dawson's beat him unlike he was in the Jones fight.''. Its just laughable how you attempt to cover your obvious bias for Calzaghe by saying ''i like both of these fighters''. Again, i don't spew out stuff that i don't believe, and i believe that Calzaghe would not fight Dawson even if '' the money is right'' because posses too much of a challenge. Its just my opinion and nothing will change that. I always back Calzaghe but Dawson has been calling him out even before the Kessler fight and not one time did he mention his name.

Let's also not mention that Tarver is past his best now, whereas when he fought Jones... Do you see where this is going? This is just fanboy talking/whining. Direct it at someone else. And this is just a counter FROM a fan boy that doesn't look at what is right in front of him. Joe doesn't want to fight Dawson and says that he is not big enough, so is Kessler more proven than Dawson or a better fighter? YOU might say he is, but many will disagree. Dawson has clearly beaten better fighters than Kessler has is more known. I won't come on here lying and saying stuff that i don't believe, i just tell it like it is but i try my best to be reasonable about it. I don't think Calzaghe wants to take a chance against Dawson and i do think Dawson would beat him. However, that does not mean I'm a Calzaghe hater. I have been rooting for him ever since he beat Lacy( except in the Hopkins fight). Lets also not forget that Tarver just beat( and dominated) Clinton Woods for the IBF/IBO light heavyweight title so clearly he had something. Hopkins was a great win for Calzaghe, but Jones was not at the time. Tell me when his last significant win was? Trinidad?

Yeah but Calzaghe wasn't fighting Adamek, he fought Jones who had not won a big fight in years and going into that fight, everyone knew what would happen. My point was that Johnson and Tarver( Dawson's last two opponents) has already beaten Jones, and people criticize Dawson for fighting 40 year old even though they were still at the top of their divisions. I am just not a fan of double standards. The only reason people say about Dawson taking on older fighters is because others criticise Joe for taking on Hopkins and Jones and considering there is more of a difference between Dawson and Johnson/Tarver than there is between Calzaghe and Hopkins/Jones then I don't understand how Joe haters use that as an arguement. It's also similar to how you were just saying Joe only beat Roy who's been KO'd by both Dawson and Tarver. I could also say Hopkins beat both Tarver and Johnson quite easily. It's all just tit for tat.

Yeah, and the fact that Hopkins had already beaten Dawson's last two opponents...let's not mention that. Lets also not mention that Johnson was a young inexperienced fighter at the time Bernard beat him and Joe pulled out of a fight with Johnson two times and never even mentions Dawson, i don't we should mention that at all. :tapedshut Calzaghe is smarter than we all think, he knows that Dawson has a bad style for him. Don't be suprised if he looks at the winner of Froch and Taylor for a farewell fight instead.

Yeah ATG Tomasz Adamek put Dawson on his arse but Dawson still won an easy decision so whats your point again? Yeah but Calzaghe wasn't fighting Adamek, he fought Jones who had not won a big fight in years and going into that fight, everyone knew what would happen. My point was that Johnson and Tarver( Dawson's last two opponents) has already beaten Jones, and people criticize Dawson for fighting 40 year old even though they were still at the top of their divisions. I am just not a fan of double standards.

Yeah ATG Tomasz Adamek put Dawson on his arse but Dawson still won an easy decision so whats your point again?

:lol1: :lol1: I know, man. I think initially they used it to counter the suggestions that Slappy fights old men. But now they genuinely use it to discredit Dawson Calslappy fans accusing another fighting of picking on old men :lol1: Not only that but they look even more silly for the simple fact that Dawson's last two opponents had already knocked out Roy, and Joe had to get off the floor to win a DECISION.

Yeah right. You seem to forget Calzaghe has one of the best chins in boxing. Chad can throw all he wants at him, he ain't gonna do shit. Dawson punches harder than Hopkins does and is certainly faster and bigger. I would say Adamek has a better chin than Joe does and Dawson staggered him with a counter right hook off the ropes( which Joe would be vulnerable to against another southpaw). Don't let anyone fool you, he has power. Man oh man... Why am I bothering... Dawson is good. He's just not the killer you think. Talk is cheap. Tell Dawson to fight someone who isn't 40 and get back to me. Dawson needs to AT LEAST beat Johnson convincingly, maybe beat Hopkins too, before he deserves a shot at Calzaghe. Hopkins, Jones............:thinking:

Joe is picking his fights carefully at this point because he wants to retire unbeaten. People need to realize that there is a reason why Joe fought Jones instead of Dawson. People say Dawson is not accomplished, but do you really think Kessler's resume was better? Joe had no problem fighting him. Man oh man... Why am I bothering... Dawson is good. He's just not the killer you think. Talk is cheap. Tell Dawson to fight someone who isn't 40 and get back to me. Dawson needs to AT LEAST beat Johnson convincingly, maybe beat Hopkins too, before he deserves a shot at Calzaghe. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Really? What makes you think he can win? Wouldn't the fight already been made if Joe could win? I mean, he never got a title at LHW and that was his chance. None ATG, except for the HWs for obvious reasons, were one division champions only. It's very hard to put Joe even in a special hall of fame without lowering the bar so much everyone above average would get in. A win over Dawson would change that allot, would make him look better than he ever has. The original poster has a point when he says Joe has never fought a prime proven opponent, something EVERY ATG did. It's kinda of a waste also if you have talent to waste it in NOT trying, which lead to two possible conclusions the way i see it. Either Joe's people are very stupid or he doesn't have the required talent. I don't think they're very stupid. His speed, experience and awkwardness would win him the fight IMO, Calzaghe's camp has valid claims that Dawson doesn't bring enough money to the table, not that many people know who he is right now, maybe the rumored Tarver fight in March on HBO will change that because I think HBO will use that fight to push for Dawson-Calzaghe. And Calzaghe should already be in the HOF with all that he has accomplished, if you consider Hopkins an ATG because of his resume and accomplishments, then Calzaghe should be one too.

Hopkins > Johnson. That better? Yeah fair enough. Cos Calz beat Hopkins with a 7 year age advantage who is better than Johnson who lost to Dawson who had a 13 year age advantage ;)

He was put on his fukking ass by a journeyman. Yeah, so? Then he got up and won the fight by a massive margin. The dude was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought except maybe Bika, and he handled his ass too. Hopkins was put down twice by Mercado. I suppose Hopkins is shit now too? In fact anyone who ever got a flash KD is obviously shit. It all makes sense! 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3