I got pryor by late round tko, people are going overboard with the oscar fight, oscar looked weight drained didnt throw any punches and didnt come to fight, Arguello had more one punch power then manny and couldn't even hurt pryor.
Manny Pryor
I have always compared Manny to Pryor. I see Pryor winning a very brutal fight. If Arguello couldn't knock him out, Manny couldn't as Arguello hit much harder.
Funny, Hatton was able to fight Floyd still
Pac will get to face Hatton next.
And, I used this same arguement with Joe Calzaghe {168} and Prime Roy {175, even though he was arguably better at '68}, but the big difference with Joe and Pryor was, Pryor was a legit Champ and threat who showed up to Ray's conference and asked for a fight. Pryor said he didn't get it because of the sparring sessions...as well as beating Hearns in the amatuers couldn't have helped.
I don't know who would have won but it would have been interesting. Pryor's tendency to keep his chin up wasn't something I liked but the man was a freak that ate them up.
If Mayweather was a natural welter who had fought Cotto, Williams, and Margarito instead of Hatton, he wouldn't have been ducking Hatton either.
Just like Leonard had no obligation to fight the jr. welter champ Pryor.
Pryor was an excellent jr. welter (and probably would've been champ at 135), but I don't like his chances at all against the top welterweights.
I never really cared for Leonard, but I always defend him when it comes to this "he ducked Pryor", "he was scared of him" crap. It's because of sh!t like this that I've come to dislike Legendary Nights.
What is it with people always making such a big deal out of someone "calling out" opponents? If you're a big name, everyone is gonna challenge you for the payday/event.
The real "calling out" is in the negotations. Which, Leonard did "call out" Pryor in that regard, but Pryor wasn't happy with half a million, so he turned it down.
Leonard retired in 1982. He came back in 1984 at 154 lbs.
Leonard "could have" fought Pryor, but a welterweight champ has no obligation to fight an 140 lb. champ. If Pryor had made some noise at welterweight, then that's a different story.
Funny, Hatton was able to fight Floyd still
Pac will get to face Hatton next.
And, I used this same arguement with Joe Calzaghe {168} and Prime Roy {175, even though he was arguably better at '68}, but the big difference with Joe and Pryor was, Pryor was a legit Champ and threat who showed up to Ray's conference and asked for a fight. Pryor said he didn't get it because of the sparring sessions...as well as beating Hearns in the amatuers couldn't have helped.
I don't know who would have won but it would have been interesting. Pryor's tendency to keep his chin up wasn't something I liked but the man was a freak that ate them up.
Leonard retired in 1982. He came back in 1984 at 154 lbs.
Leonard "could have" fought Pryor, but a welterweight champ has no obligation to fight an 140 lb. champ. If Pryor had made some noise at welterweight, then that's a different story.
oh i see......
i forgot. hard to keep track of all his bullshit retirements.
pryor was the man at 140 from 1980 to 1985.
leonard was the man at 147 from 1979 to 1984.
this fight could've been made. pryor wanted it. why didn't it get made?
i'm not saying ray is scared or a ducker or anything but this fight could have and should have been made.
yes he was fighting duran and hearns but that's only 3 fights. i think in 4-5 years he could have found a time to fight pryor.
Leonard retired in 1982. He came back in 1984 at 154 lbs.
Leonard "could have" fought Pryor, but a welterweight champ has no obligation to fight an 140 lb. champ. If Pryor had made some noise at welterweight, then that's a different story.
I'm not talking about what Butch Lewis said about their amateur careers. I don't especially care either.
I'm talking about the pro careers.
Leonard was busy fighting top welterweights and even a top junior middleweight. Somehow since an HBO documentary shows Pryor "calling out" Leonard and Leonard didn't fight him, it translates to "oh my god, Leonard was scared of Pryor and ducked him". :rolleyes:
pryor was the man at 140 from 1980 to 1985.
leonard was the man at 147 from 1979 to 1984.
this fight could've been made. pryor wanted it. why didn't it get made?
i'm not saying ray is scared or a ducker or anything but this fight could have and should have been made.
yes he was fighting duran and hearns but that's only 3 fights. i think in 4-5 years he could have found a time to fight pryor.
leonard was at light welter in the ams...... there's a reason he moved up to 147 before the olympics.
and no it wasn't because he couldn't make weight......
I'm not talking about what Butch Lewis said about their amateur careers. I don't especially care either.
I'm talking about the pro careers.
Leonard was busy fighting top welterweights and even a top junior middleweight. Somehow since an HBO documentary shows Pryor "calling out" Leonard and Leonard didn't fight him, it translates to "oh my god, Leonard was scared of Pryor and ducked him". :rolleyes:
Please don't start with the Legendary Nights "Leonard ducked Pryor" nonsense.
Anyway, I'm still inclined to make Pryor the slight favorite over Manny @ 140.
leonard was at light welter in the ams...... there's a reason he moved up to 147 before the olympics.
and no it wasn't because he couldn't make weight......
ray didn't want any piece of aaron in the ams......he wanted no piece of him in the pros either......
Please don't start with the Legendary Nights "Leonard ducked Pryor" nonsense.
Anyway, I'm still inclined to make Pryor the slight favorite over Manny @ 140.