Boxing is an incredible sport, and while UFC is exciting and definately on the rise, the media and Dana White (and his little puppet Joe Rogan) would have the world know that boxing is dying.
We all know that boxing has its flaws (politics, too many promoters, etc.) but it also full of great fighters who put on incredible spectacles every year.
Dana White wouldn't have people know about Cotto - Margarito or Marquez - Pacquiao II, so it is up to those of us who know the truth to represent boxing and inform the public who have bought into UFC propaganda.
You may enjoy UFC as well as boxing (just like me) and still support boxing during this media onslaught. Those who want to join to make a stand are more than welcome but if you would also like to participate in discussions (much of which is provoked by Boxingscene.com articles) please feel free to join our community as I hope many of our members will join the boxingscene.com family. I look forward to trading opinions and insults with you soon.
We just need a way to show people that they exist. Start plugging in highlight videos from fights each month and I doubt these people will still argue that boxing is boring. People will then know who to watch to get what they want out of the sport.
it all comes full circle back to the 4 sanctioning bodies and alphabet belts. i know it's like beating a dead horse, but that's why boxing isn't where it should be in the eyes of the public. if the boxing world can't even decide who the real champions are, how are the fans supposed to?
The thing is, if they can't appreciate the fine art of it, they can still appreciate the exciting side. There are sooo many flashy boxers out there that can appeal to their tastes. People LOVED mike Tyson for that reason. Show those people a glimpse of Joan Guzman, Manny Pacquiao, James Kirkland, Gamboa, Victor Ortiz, Berto... man.. the list is basically endless. These people can't help but catch your attention.
Boxing appeals to more than just the intellectual crowd. We just need a way to show people that they exist. Start plugging in highlight videos from fights each month and I doubt these people will still argue that boxing is boring. People will then know who to watch to get what they want out of the sport.
You are missing the entire point of this conversation. It's not supposed to be about which is better.... its about people giving only one sport a chance to decide what they like (not that they have to choose one over the other).
You are talking about a select group of people when you are talking about people who know fighting. Of course fighters respect each other... I am talking about the rest of the public who don't know what they are talking about. They buy into whatever they hear on TV, and what is being propagated is that UFC is superior to boxing. It is the cool thing to say. Talk to anyone in a younger generation and see if they have ever seen a boxing match. I recently just went back to university and not a single kid I know has seen boxing beyond Oscar De La Hoya or Mike Tyson.
mma is for homosexuals ...
do you think wrestling (as in intercollegiate wrestling) is for homosexuals?
it's one thing to say you don't like mma, or you don't get the same enjoyment out of watching mma as you do boxing. that's how it is with me, though i do like mma. but these blanket statements are pretty ridiculous and do nothing for your argument that boxing is better than mma.
for godss sake why always compare the two, when u look into it they are very different sports!! i personally dislike ufc and mma but appreciate why its supporters do!! dana white is just trying to promote ufc by knocking the more popular sport!!
boxing= skill
ufc= guys laying on da floor wrestling
Boxing = Art of one form
MMA = Art of multiple form to make "no form"
mma=bar fighting
But where's the bar?
lol just refer to my sig. that is all i will say...
"FLYBOY's Gehy!!"
What?
I think Lampley getting "provoked" even coming off calling Olympic wrestling just shows he's got thin skin. He also didn't address the problems of his own sport which was the basis of Dana's attack that "boxing is dead". He himself attacked the technical dynamic which is going to be alien to people because they're not used to seeing people trying to be ready for anything. If he had sat down with a couple of schools and talked with them, I think he could have made a better counter arguement.
boxing= skill
ufc= guys laying on da floor wrestling
that's such a ridiculous thing to say. boxing is my favorite sport, but i have friends and relatives who are/were wrestlers. you need a ton of skill and endurance to wrestle. i know less about jiu jitsu, but i'm sure it's the same.
I love the argument of mma has way more things u need to be skilled at hahahahahahaha. If a wrestler punches he loooks like a idiot. If a puncher wrestlers he looks like a idiot. I don't wanna see average fighters on tv fight.mma=bar fighting
I understand what you are saying, believe me I do, but my point is they are already pit against one another. It is a done deal. The only way to reach the audience is by addressing it head on. If I hadn't written UFC vs. Boxing you might not be involved in this conversation with me right now. That title has power. Do you know how many UFC is better than boxing GROUPS there are on facebook? Probably more than there are members in my group, which is the only one on facebook.
It is an issue whether you and I speak about it or not so why not speak about it and draw in all the people who are only hearing one side of the argument.
My argument is not that it is bad, i watch almost every UFC event that is televised.. I know Joe Rogan, Dana White and Jim Lampley's opinions on the matter do not reflect all boxing and MMA fans. But Dana White and Joe Rogan provoke the topic because it is good business and as long as that happens, I believe there is a need to defend boxing. The day they find a way to co-exist is the day the group becomes irrelevant.
I know Jim Lampley's opinion on the sport of UFC and I don't agree with it, but he obviously felt provoked. Those comments didn't just come out of thin air. But my point in saying that is to say this, it is a one way attack. Jim Lampley's comments, in my perception, were a misguided defence of a sport that has completely enveloped his life.
I realize that a debate has been started.. I am joining it the same way you are by voicing your opinions right now (which i don't even disagree with). The only way my opinion differs from yours is that you would be silent and hope it goes away whereas I believe once people with a different opinion like you and I express those opinions through the forum of debate, all those listening have no choice but to define their own views. That is the goal.
Have you spoken to anyone about boxing to anyone who doesn't watch it? They have no clue what they are talking about and they only spew non-facts that I hear Joe Rogan and Dana White talking about all the time.
And if you're the boxing fan you say you are, then you would've heard Jim Lampley saying that you won't see "technical mastery displayed" in MMA the way it was in the DLH vs. Mayweather fight. Maybe that was his own opinion, maybe HBO or GBP had a cue card for him to read, who knows. The point is that it's not just a one way attack like you're claiming.
By creating a group like this, it is just a means to provoke discussion about why they can't both exist.
You claim I am pitting them against each other... The fact is I am not the one who did the pitting, I am playing a defensive role.
You're pitting them against each other when you mention them in the same thread. You're probably doing it inadvertently, but you're doing it nonetheless. And if your group is called "UFC vs. Boxing on Facebook", the way this thread is (inadvertent pitting), then you're shooting yourself in the foot.
You're sparking a debate in here right now the way you claim not to be. Go back and read the first line of the thread, if that isn't meant to spark a debate then I don't know what is. If you're supporting boxing, then do so. Same with MMA. They can co-exist if you stop mentioning them together while providing examples of how one is attacking the other.
In UFC, you have all these guys who specialize in one aspect of fighting... and when those guys fight each other, the strategy becomes so simple it is almost boring to watch. The wrestler takes the striker to the ground and the striker keeps the wrestler at a distance... the end.
maybe 10 years ago. today, at least at the top echelon of mma, all the fighters learn all the skils.
TO: J.RAZOR
Here is my opinion on the "skill" argument
I think that there are extremely skillful fighters in the UFC... MMA at its finest is very captivating... watching GSP and Anderson Silva and BJ Penn is very similar to watching a talented boxer. You can see them break down their opponent mentally and physically and it is a joy to watch. Its the best when they fight other well rounded fighters.
In UFC, you have all these guys who specialize in one aspect of fighting... and when those guys fight each other, the strategy becomes so simple it is almost boring to watch. The wrestler takes the striker to the ground and the striker keeps the wrestler at a distance... the end.
i don't understand why boxing fans get so defensive when it comes to mma. i'll choose boxing over mma any day, but when mma is on i watch it and enjoy it. it's a pointless debate anyway. really, when it comes down to it, what are the arguments?
"mma is better, dude."
"no, boxing is better."
"no, mma is better."
"no."
it's like a broken record.
I admit I get defensive about it, but it doesn't mean I don't like MMA.
MMA = explosively exciting... its all inclusive fighting
Boxing = The art of striking. Its a sport.
Comparing them further than that is comparing apples and oranges.
That is not what I am trying to do.
I am trying to show people they need to give both a chance.
Its about awareness more than preference.