Roach: We'll Fight Mayweather at Catchweight!!

I wonder if Floyd can go below 147 still. He probably walks around at 147-154. I highly doubt he would go below a 145 catchweight.

theres no ****ing point if manny can fight a bigger oscar at ww why not fight a naturally smaller floyd at ww?...roach is ****ing retarded...this fight needs to happen at ww and im sure manny wouldnt have a problem with that.. I think that makes you poster number 3 or 4 that gets it. Question: Would you say it is fair to put a cap on the weight-limit for fight time? Say, no more than 149? I use 149 because that's what a lot of fighters have come in at when they fight at the 140 division. Floyd tends to come in at 149. Or, we could just make it stay put at 147, since that is where Manny weighed in at during his 135 pound bout...and Welterweight is supposed to be 147.

theres no ****ing point if manny can fight a bigger oscar at ww why not fight a naturally smaller floyd at ww?...roach is ****ing retarded...this fight needs to happen at ww and im sure manny wouldnt have a problem with that..

...and fighters who experience what you just said above had no choice but to move up in weight. and thats what everyone does. until they experience that and feel weak at that weight and rehydration, they'll continue fighting at that weight because that's where they feel they're stronger AND quicker. speed kills. Yes, I know this. And I'm for the fighter taking risks..I guess. If he dies; he dies; it's on him; not me. If he feels flat by fight time because he could rehydrate properly and it took to much out of him when he tried to make weight....**** him, I guess. He deserves what he gets. But, that's why I brought up this piont with Freddie Roach. Why does he need a catch-weight for Floyd if Manny and Floyd show up by fight time at the same weight? What Freddie wants to do is: Put it in Floyd's mind that he has to make weight at a certain weight, say 140...so he will be distracted from his game...like he said he did with Oscar. He is also tryiing to suck the life out of Floyd to make sure he is not at his best. Fighters are at their safest/best when they don't have to drain. Manny is active so he is used to it. Floyd, being in his 30's, and being inactive, it will take more out of him. That's what Freddie is hoping for. So, my suggestion is just to make it fair and make it at 147. Fight time weight in contract: 147. Floyd, since he has come in as high as 149, would have to lose 2 pounds...but won't have to lose say 7 pounds for the weigh-in if it were at 140. Floyd has had to drain himself for 140 in 3+ years. Freddie knows this. By the time the fight could take place, it might be closer to 4. When Floyd fought Hatton he stayed at 147 for two reasons: One, he was the Champion at 147. And Two, he knew there was no point in dehydrating to make 140 since both he and Ricky will still be under 150 come fight time...which is what JrWW tend to show up at by fight time. He saved himself from the health risk. When Ricky rehydrates for his 140 pound bouts, he tends to be 149 for fight night. Floyd is that same weight.

yes, but there was also a medical study that showed the dangers of figters that dehydrated for the weigh-in and then rehydrated for the fight. It wasn't good. Fighters don't always show up at healthy. Many fighters have said they have showed up "Flat" and it's not always because they simply over-trained during camp. Many will say they had a great camp, but for some reason, come fight time, they felt "Flat." Doctors say this is because of the draining of fluids; especially fluids from the brain. It causes serious health risks. And I did make a thread a while back about it for ALL FIGHTERS and Posters. My point with this fight was simple. No need to dehydrate if both fighters are already showing up at 147 for fight time. Simple...yes? ...and fighters who experience what you just said above had no choice but to move up in weight. and thats what everyone does. until they experience that and feel weak at that weight and rehydration, they'll continue fighting at that weight because that's where they feel they're stronger AND quicker. speed kills.

So you mean when Pacman fought in 135 vs D. Diaz, you mean his opponent is at 135 in fight night then pacman blows to 147? Why are you compairing Floyd weight to Pacquaio? It's already obvious that Mayweather is bigger man than Manny... I'm saying neither fighter was at 135. 135 is an exact weight. come fight time, fighters can be at different weights. Say a fight is at 135. One fighter comes in at 140; another at 147. What division is 140...what division is 147? The point with Floyd and Manny was simple and you are over-doing it. Both fighters fight at around what weight come fight night? Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout...according to Roach. Floyd was around 147-149 for his 147 pound bout for Ricky. Floyd and Manny are close in weight. So close that if they wanted, they could have a legit 147 pound fight come fight time. Just have Floyd stay at 147. They can put it in the contract if they like. Manny is fully matured now; no longer a boy. He can't make 135 and shows up at 147. If he was smaller, he would not be showing up at 147 for his 135 pound bouts.

no use drilling it into you. have you had a real heavy workout and sauna after? trust me the next day you'll easily rehydrate several lbs. if you still insist, then go preach your views to EVERYONE, and not limiting to this matchup. yes, but there was also a medical study that showed the dangers of figters that dehydrated for the weigh-in and then rehydrated for the fight. It wasn't good. Fighters don't always show up at healthy. Many fighters have said they have showed up "Flat" and it's not always because they simply over-trained during camp. Many will say they had a great camp, but for some reason, come fight time, they felt "Flat." Doctors say this is because of the draining of fluids; especially fluids from the brain. It causes serious health risks. And I did make a thread a while back about it for ALL FIGHTERS and Posters. My point with this fight was simple. No need to dehydrate if both fighters are already showing up at 147 for fight time. Simple...yes?

No, my point is right on the mark. What's the point of a weigh-in, calling it a 140 pound bout, if the fighters aren't fighting at 140? The point was that originally, it was probably to make it a fair fight; having two fighters of the same weight (by fight time) shows up and fights. But, fighters started taking advantage of the rule and dehydrating themselves to make weight to fight smaller fighters....after that, everybody started to do it and it became skewed. And the point still is with Manny and Floyd both showing up at the same weight on fight night. So what is the point of them having to drain themselves for the weigh-in if they will blow up in weight and be the same again by fight time? I said let's skip the drain, and move on with the fight. The Contract can say the fighters can't weigh above so and so...say 147. Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout; Floyd was about 149 for his 147 pound bout. So you mean when Pacman fought in 135 vs D. Diaz, you mean his opponent is at 135 in fight night then pacman blows to 147? Why are you compairing Floyd weight to Pacquaio? It's already obvious that Mayweather is bigger man than Manny...

No, my point is right on the mark. What's the point of a weigh-in, calling it a 140 pound bout, if the fighters aren't fighting at 140? The point was that originally, it was probably to make it a fair fight; having two fighters of the same weight (by fight time) shows up and fights. But, fighters started taking advantage of the rule and dehydrating themselves to make weight to fight smaller fighters....after that, everybody started to do it and it became skewed. And the point still is with Manny and Floyd both showing up at the same weight on fight night. So what is the point of them having to drain themselves for the weigh-in if they will blow up in weight and be the same again by fight time? I said let's skip the drain, and move on with the fight. The Contract can say the fighters can't weigh above so and so...say 147. Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout; Floyd was about 149 for his 147 pound bout. no use drilling it into you. have you had a real heavy workout and sauna after? trust me the next day you'll easily rehydrate several lbs. if you still insist, then go preach your views to EVERYONE, and not limiting to this matchup.

the point you're making is moot. as everyone ang you know, ALL fighters rehydrate. and 5lbs rehydration is normal overnight after a previous heavy workout the day before. No, my point is right on the mark. What's the point of a weigh-in, calling it a 140 pound bout, if the fighters aren't fighting at 140? The point was that originally, it was probably to make it a fair fight; having two fighters of the same weight (by fight time) shows up and fights. But, fighters started taking advantage of the rule and dehydrating themselves to make weight to fight smaller fighters....after that, everybody started to do it and it became skewed. And the point still is with Manny and Floyd both showing up at the same weight on fight night. So what is the point of them having to drain themselves for the weigh-in if they will blow up in weight and be the same again by fight time? I said let's skip the drain, and move on with the fight. The Contract can say the fighters can't weigh above so and so...say 147. Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout; Floyd was about 149 for his 147 pound bout.

Yes, and I was for fighters fighting at their "real" weight. No dehydrating, just setting a mark and having to show up at that mark by fight time. The point still stands: If Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout, and Floyd was around 149 for his 147 pound bout, what's the point of having these two fighters fight at "140" if both will not show up at 140? If they want, just put in the contract that both fighters have to be 147 by fight time. Floyd has to lose two pounds...even though Manny will start to show up just above 147 for his 140 pound bouts in the future. He walks around at 152+ and he isn't fat. You see? the point you're making is moot. as everyone ang you know, ALL fighters rehydrate. and 5lbs rehydration is normal overnight after a previous heavy workout the day before.

You are shouting with your lame excuses again..... Floyd is a small WW Pacman isn't a WW at all, they can probably fight at 140or142.. Like Roach said money will matter if this fights happen.... Excuses after the fight: Ring Rust.. Actually, Floyd is a Welterweight; a legit, by fight time weight, Welter. Many others are not. They are Jr.Middle and Middleweights come fight time. Pac, at 135, showed up at 147 by fight time, according to Roach. 147 is where? It's welter. Where is Floyd? Welter...around 147-149. Pac's weight for Oscar. NOw, like I said above, if they want to put it in the contract that both fighters have to be at 147, no higher, by fight time, making it a TRUE 147 pound/Welterweight fight....I'm all for it. OH, and that is reason not an excuse for the "Ring Rust." PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR HISTORY. Ray Leonard for example, took two years off, came back, and had trouble in his return bout. So distraught was he, even though he won, he retired. Inactivity kills. Freddie Roach said it; Floyd Sr. said it; Tyson said it; the Old Timers say it. It's why some people have suggested Floyd take one or two tune-ups. It's why Freddie said he keeps Manny active.

if we were to follow your reasoning, then ALL boxers would be fighting ABOVE their 'supposed' to be fighting weight. Almost all boxers come in 5-10 lbs above their weigh-in weight so your reasoning doesn't apply to pbf ricky or pac alone. pac came in at 142 at the weigh-in. this is even after having bfast. and i believe pbf easily can make 140, so a catchweight around 140-145 is reasonable. pac agreed to 147 because it's the lowest oscar would agree to. nobody pointed a gun to dlh, he really wanted it. if oscar can make 140, team pac would've gladly accepted. Yes, and I was for fighters fighting at their "real" weight. No dehydrating, just setting a mark and having to show up at that mark by fight time. The point still stands: If Manny was 147 for his 135 pound bout, and Floyd was around 149 for his 147 pound bout, what's the point of having these two fighters fight at "140" if both will not show up at 140? If they want, just put in the contract that both fighters have to be 147 by fight time. Floyd has to lose two pounds...even though Manny will start to show up just above 147 for his 140 pound bouts in the future. He walks around at 152+ and he isn't fat. You see?

Roach is a great trainer and does what is needed to give the advantages to his fighter....BUT **** YOU, YOU LITTLE PUSSY MOTHA ****ER. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit. Fight the Fighter in the ring, not on the scales. He pulled it with Oscar...and didn't he pull this same shit with Eric Morales in their last fight, when Morales wanted to move up in weight and make the fight because he was killing himself already? I have all the respect for Manny and I hope Manny doesn't want to steal another victory. At least Floyd didn't try to steal a victory over Oscar. where ws the fight? at 154. Floyd is already in his 30's; has been inactive for one year and by the time the fight may happen, it could be close to two. **** that. 147 or NO FIGHT. That's what I want to hear from Floyd. I cannot believe I'm starting to favor Floyd over Manny now...but Roach is pissing me off. If he can fight at 147 against Oscar; he can fight Floyd at 147...especially since Floyd weighs about 147-149 by fight time. No sense and making either fighter drain weight for some bullshit weigh-in. Tell me this article is bullshit because I don't want to lose more respect for Roach and Pac. Although listen; I'm fine with a catch-weight of 146.9:) You are shouting with your lame excuses again..... Floyd is a small WW Pacman isn't a WW at all, they can probably fight at 140or142.. Like Roach said money will matter if this fights happen.... Excuses after the fight: Ring Rust..

Are you a begginer? It's the choice of a Boxer. DLH almost went close to 160 at fight night against Floyd.. Guzman even weight 27 pounds after the weigh in with Soto.. YOu're stupid.. Why you give damn about that? The main point is making weight before the fight and who gives sh!t on what weight the boxer wants on fight night. WOW, you have a small mind but I hope you can expand it with open eyes. The point was simple: Calling it a "140" pound fight when the fighters don't weigh 140 pound by fight night is a lie. This is why the HW division gets more credit. There is no lying. You just show up. Say a fighter is fighting at 140. He drains himself to make that weight; 140. Fighter A rehydrates to 147; that's welterweight. Fighter B rehydrates himself to 154; that's Junior Middle. Now you have two fighters in two different divisions. Here's another example and see if you get it. There is a basketball game. To make it fair, the people want two players of equal height for the game. Will say, 6'0 foot. Man "A" is measured; he bends his knees 6 inches down. Because he bent his knees 6 inches down, he is 6'0, instead of 6'6 which is his true height. But, he made the cut at 6'0. Man "B" bends down 4 inches; he makes the cut at 6'0 foot; he is really 6'4. Come game time, we have a competition between to 6'0 foot players that the people expect to see...but, we now have a 6'6 player going up a 6'4 player. So much for the game between two 6'0 foot players.

I'll explain. Floyd beat Hatton so fighting Hatton is less important to Manny's legacy. People say Hatton is still the Man at 140, yet, he turned down Floyd twice at that weight so Floyd had no shot at being the "Man" at 140. Floyd moved up. The fight eventually happened but at 147. People claimed that it was the 147 pound division that gave a disadvantage to Ricky and that's why he lost. Both Floyd and Ricky weighed about 149 by fight time. Where do most, especially these two fighters, show up at by "Fight-Time" for their "140" pound bouts? They show up at around 149, like Ricky does, after they rehydrate. So, it isn't really a 140 pound bout, is it? If it was, these fighters would weigh, 140 pounds on fight night. Both Floyd and Ricky were basically rehydrated 140 pounds, except, they didn't have to bother with the charade of draining the water weight for the weigh-in. Understand now? It was really a 140 pound fight except there was no weight-drain fighters for the weigh-in. They skipped it and just showed up at their rehydrated weight. For Pac: Since Pac is now officially a 140 pound fighter because he couldn't make 135 anymore, I said he should be looking for the "Man" and who is that, it's Floyd, not Ricky. But since even Manny has to weight-drain for his 140 pound bouts now, which is why he shows up at 147 for his 135 pound bouts, there is no need to bother with the charade of the 140 weight-drain for the weigh-in...so, since he fought at 147 and so has Floyd, and come fight night they will be the same weight, skip the charade of the 140 weight-drain, and just make it at 147 and be hydrated at all times. Understand? Let me know. if we were to follow your reasoning, then ALL boxers would be fighting ABOVE their 'supposed' to be fighting weight. Almost all boxers come in 5-10 lbs above their weigh-in weight so your reasoning doesn't apply to pbf ricky or pac alone. pac came in at 142 at the weigh-in. this is even after having bfast. and i believe pbf easily can make 140, so a catchweight around 140-145 is reasonable. pac agreed to 147 because it's the lowest oscar would agree to. nobody pointed a gun to dlh, he really wanted it. if oscar can make 140, team pac would've gladly accepted.

Let me explain: Freddie said Manny weighed 147 for the Diaz fight; that was at 135, yet he wasn't 135 come fight time; he was 147. 147 isn't 140 either, right? 147 is welterweight. So if we didn't have to drain fighters for the weigh-in, where would they be fighting? Manny would be Welter, and so would Floyd. Of course, the likes of Margarito would be up towards Middle. So making the fight at 147 is simply saying, no need to drain these fighters for the weigh-in since they will try to rehydrate back up to Welter/147 come fight time. So, Manny isn't moving up. He can have his next fight at 140 again except next time he'll have to make weight/drain himself for the weigh-in...then rehydrate. I'm saying skip the draining and just keep them hydrated. Who gives a Damn in what weight they want after night? Boxer dehydrates 10 lb- 15 lb - 5 lb.. Who gives a DAMN?

No, I do understand it, but you're missing the point. Years ago this wouldn't even be a discussion because fighters actually fought on a regular basis. When you have a guy as active as Manny taking tough fights back to back to back, imo, all stipulations should be in favor of him. I dont see why floyd should be able to come out of retirement and be able to get a fight with the man on top right now at a weight that best suits him. Manny isn't asking for floyd, it's the other way around. If you want him, then come down and get him. We saw what happened to pavlik when he moved to 166 to fight Taylor 2. Completely different fighter than at 160. Then 170 for BHOP. Even though pavlik is usually around there come fight night, it still hindered his performance. If mayweather wants Pacman he should have to come down and get him, not make pacman go up again.

Nice strategy from Roach. They're trying to suck the life out of Mayweather hoping he comes in weak like Oscar. However it wouldn't work, Floyd has no trouble losing pounds and skills pay the bills, not weight. Especially when it's against a smaller fighter who campaigned at 130 a few months ago. 144-ish should be the catchweight.

I really don't think Floyd will fight at 140. I hope I'm wrong because I would love to see the fight happen without people bithing that he was too big for Pacquiao welterwieght. Floyd hasn't fought at 140 for a while & with the break I can't see this shit happening.