De La Hoya is NOT done!!!

in my mind dlh is done.....enough is enough

Lets get this straight right now. DLH doesn't see the 6th round vs Margarito. You thought Manny put a beat down on dude, well, if Tony ever got his chance you better believe a judge, jury and executioner would be at ringside waiting to bring Margarito up for charges of murder. Thats why DLH chose Pacquiao in the first place.

He actually looked very lean, and strong. He clearly wasn't dehydrated, he had been at or around 147 for weeks. He had professional nutritionists and strength and conditioning coaches, really he only cut around 10-15 pounds at most. That is not a daunting task with the kind of help he is able to pay for. Plus, he only put on 2 pounds between the weigh in and the fight so again, it was clear that water deprivation was not the problem here. true, dlh had been keeping his weight down and sparring at that weight regularly... dlh even said he felt faster and stronger

it's sad to see a legend take a beating like that, it don't matter who it is...im totally convince Oscar lost inapropriately, it just did not look like him at all! he looked like too skinny, weak and he must have been dehydrated, how on earth did he weigh 147 and pacman 148.5?? you know there was something wrong there. He actually looked very lean, and strong. He clearly wasn't dehydrated, he had been at or around 147 for weeks. He had professional nutritionists and strength and conditioning coaches, really he only cut around 10-15 pounds at most. That is not a daunting task with the kind of help he is able to pay for. Plus, he only put on 2 pounds between the weigh in and the fight so again, it was clear that water deprivation was not the problem here.

Ok fellas before you jump all over me and call me an idoit read the entire post. I saw the fight and yes I was amazed at how badily Oscar got beat. I was thinking we were going to see a good fight competitive and if anyone was going to be handing out punishment it would be De la Hoya handing out more then he was taking. But Manny showed us that speed is the main factor in boxing. If you have the advantage with hands speed and you carry some power you can dominate just about anybody no matter what the weight class. manny didn't just look faster but he looked light years faster on Saturday night. I kept telling myself I was dreaming I even pinched myself to make sure I was awake. I had to stand up after the 6th round and turn away from the TV because I couldn't belive what I was seeing. It was like Manny almost didn't want to finish him he would pull back off the ropes and waive Oscar in. Like as if he was asking Oscar bring the fight to me. Many think that if Oscar had fought Cotto or Marg they would have disposed of Oscar just as easily. I beg to differ and I will tell you why. Oscar main issue Saturday night was speed. Lightening fast greasy speed just like Mickey said in Rocky II. If you can catch this chicken you can catch Creed. Well I bet Nacho didn't have Oscar chaing any chickens during his trainin camp. Point is Marg is a come forward face first puncher who doesn't punch that hard but throws alot of punches. Oscar could out box Marg for a few rounds and put up more of a fight then he showed us this past Saturday. Heck he might even be able to bet marg if he got Marg to agree to fight him at 154. marg would nver bounce on his feet and jump around the ring on his way in like PACMAN did. marg would be getting tagged with Oscars jab. End point is although I think marg would beat Oscar he would have had more a fight on his nads then PACMAN did. Cotto same thought here is not as fast as PACMAN. Doesnt not move around as much on his way in. Don't think Oscar could out box him as easily as Marg but I think he would be easier to hit then PAC was Saturday ngiht.All in all I think it would have been a more competitive fight than we saw Saturday when the so Called Dream Match took place ...More like Oscar's Night mare.....Lefty I think that was part of the game plan, not getting caught in the one spot for too long.

Ok fellas before you jump all over me and call me an idoit read the entire post. I saw the fight and yes I was amazed at how badily Oscar got beat. I was thinking we were going to see a good fight competitive and if anyone was going to be handing out punishment it would be De la Hoya handing out more then he was taking. But Manny showed us that speed is the main factor in boxing. If you have the advantage with hands speed and you carry some power you can dominate just about anybody no matter what the weight class. manny didn't just look faster but he looked light years faster on Saturday night. I kept telling myself I was dreaming I even pinched myself to make sure I was awake. I had to stand up after the 6th round and turn away from the TV because I couldn't belive what I was seeing. It was like Manny almost didn't want to finish him he would pull back off the ropes and waive Oscar in. Like as if he was asking Oscar bring the fight to me. Many think that if Oscar had fought Cotto or Marg they would have disposed of Oscar just as easily. I beg to differ and I will tell you why. Oscar main issue Saturday night was speed. Lightening fast greasy speed just like Mickey said in Rocky II. If you can catch this chicken you can catch Creed. Well I bet Nacho didn't have Oscar chaing any chickens during his trainin camp. Point is Marg is a come forward face first puncher who doesn't punch that hard but throws alot of punches. Oscar could out box Marg for a few rounds and put up more of a fight then he showed us this past Saturday. Heck he might even be able to bet marg if he got Marg to agree to fight him at 154. marg would nver bounce on his feet and jump around the ring on his way in like PACMAN did. marg would be getting tagged with Oscars jab. End point is although I think marg would beat Oscar he would have had more a fight on his nads then PACMAN did. Cotto same thought here is not as fast as PACMAN. Doesnt not move around as much on his way in. Don't think Oscar could out box him as easily as Marg but I think he would be easier to hit then PAC was Saturday ngiht.All in all I think it would have been a more competitive fight than we saw Saturday when the so Called Dream Match took place ...More like Oscar's Night mare.....Lefty I understand what you're saying here, but when a fighter is in the twighlight of his career and he takes a systematic beating like the one De La Hoya did against Pacquaio then the natural reaction is to state that he should retire, because no one wants to see a fighter take a beating like that. However, there are obvious factors to consider i.e. How did De La Hoya boil down to the weight? Was he taking anything to aid the weight loss? Why did he not put more weight back on after the weigh in? In my opinion this was a 'no win situation' fight for De La Hoya, and other than the $$$$ you wouldn't qualify De La Hoya as being desperate for i couldn't understand why the fight was made, especially considering that there could have been other fights made at more of a natural weight for De La Hoya. My reasoning behind this is that had De La Hoya beat Pacquiao then he would not have received any real credit for doing so because people would have said that Manny was too small, and De La Hoya should have faced a fighter who didn't have to jump two weight divisions... and so on. People also said that the beating De La Hoya took reminded them of the beating Ali suffered at the hands of Larry Holmes, but in my opinion it was more shocking because no one expected Ali to beat Holmes (unless their heads were in the clouds) and many didn't want the fight to happen. The signs of decline were obvious in Ali back then and he hadn't fought for something like 2-3 years (i think) when he fought Larry Holmes who was the best young heavyweight in the world at the time. The signs of decline haven't been as glaringly obvious in De La Hoya and he's fought once a year since 2006 which included the excellent performance against Mayorga, the split decision loss to Mayweather Jnr (which many claim De La Hoya should have won), and the laboured performance against Forbes. There's a saying that claims you're only as good as your last performance, but i doubt that many expected Pacquiao to beat De La Hoya so convicingly. Freddie Roach was obviously one of those that did expect his fighter to beat De La Hoya convincingly... Prior to the fight he stated that De La Hoya couldn't pull the trigger any more and he repeated that after the fight which proves it wasn't just hype... Roach is obviously a knowlegable man and i'm inclined to agree with him because i don't see why Oscar should continue to take risks at 35 years of age, but i also don't think that he will want to retire on the back of such a loss.

Yeah I cant see DLH beating any top boxers now that Pac destroyed him. It is sad that he lost the way he did though

He's done, guys. Forget the Manny fight and just remember how he looked against Forbes. And then try to remember that Freddie Roach said he KNEW after that fight that "Oscar can't pull the trigger anymore." I wouldn't say he looked excessively bad against Forbes. I mean Forbes has never even been knocked DOWN in his entire career, let alone stopped, which is a very impressive accomplishment for a journeyman. But if Roach sees it, then who are we to argue?? I'll never doubt that man again. I do also feel that sadly, DLH's best days are behind him.

Walk away now DLH. Many of us believed you would have smoked Pacman..... it was you that got smoked. WOW!

I agree.. He could always fight a 16 yr old girl. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

if dlh is brave he'll fight money marg, but I don't even know if money marg will want to taint himself w/ dlh anymore

to make a long post short Oscar is done he got beat by Pac

No doubt Oscar can find opponents he can still beat, but as a top level fighter he is finished. You have to factor in the effects this beating will take on him physically and psychologically.

Bro, it's very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. However, can you tell us honestly what were your first thoughts when you heard about this match-up? To answer your original question, I think the weight definitely played a huge factor but there really is no telling how he'll do at 154 unless he tries again. I don't think we'll get an answer though. Gentlemne my initial reaction to him fighting Manny over marg and Cotto was the same as you. But after I got past my anger I realized it wasnt going to be an easy task forthe reason i mentioned above and I even bet on it check my sig...Lefty

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk. Advantages Youth; PACMAN Speed: PACMAN (big difference) Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor) Reach: Oscar (see above) Ring Movement; PACMAN Chin: Oscar (pre fight) Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down) Reflexes; PACMAN Reaction; PACMAN Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar) Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter) So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty He already told you what he first thought. Nothing wrong with hindsight though. But regardless, he took the supposedly easiest fight for him and it came back to bite him in the butt.

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk. Advantages Youth; PACMAN Speed: PACMAN (big difference) Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor) Reach: Oscar (see above) Ring Movement; PACMAN Chin: Oscar (pre fight) Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down) Reflexes; PACMAN Reaction; PACMAN Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar) Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter) So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty Bro, it's very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. However, can you tell us honestly what were your first thoughts when you heard about this match-up? To answer your original question, I think the weight definitely played a huge factor but there really is no telling how he'll do at 154 unless he tries again. I don't think we'll get an answer though.

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk. Advantages Youth; PACMAN Speed: PACMAN (big difference) Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor) Reach: Oscar (see above) Ring Movement; PACMAN Chin: Oscar (pre fight) Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down) Reflexes; PACMAN Reaction; PACMAN Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar) Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter) So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty Whatever. Bottom line is that Pacquiao wasn't even an option at first. Remember Antonio Margarito? Oscar MADE Pacquiao an option because he didn't want to face the guys in his own weight class. Period. So much so, that he even recanted his INITIAL offer to Manny and renegotiated for him :wtf:. When does he ever do that? In the end, it came back to bite him in the ass. But it doesn't change the fact he picked the lowest risk out there. End of story.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and remind you guys that Oscar chose Pacquiao because he figured that would be a hell of a lot easier than fighting Margarito/Williams/Cotto or anyone around his weight class. Now...after getting his ass handed to him by the lowest risk out there, where does he turn? Wait, who am I kidding? Even after getting beat by yet another name fighter, he'll fight ANOTHER big name on PPV and get people to watch it even though he never wins. And I thought Zab Judah got away with sh*t... Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk. Advantages Youth; PACMAN Speed: PACMAN (big difference) Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor) Reach: Oscar (see above) Ring Movement; PACMAN Chin: Oscar (pre fight) Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down) Reflexes; PACMAN Reaction; PACMAN Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar) Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter) So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty

yeah I see the bolded happening .. Oscar for life! but just who'll he face? Chavez Jr. Trinidad? Probably. Then we'll hear how he always fights the best, yada yada. Other fighters get an A for winning. Oscar gets it for effort.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and remind you guys that Oscar chose Pacquiao because he figured that would be a hell of a lot easier than fighting Margarito/Williams/Cotto or anyone around his weight class. Now...after getting his ass handed to him by the lowest risk out there, where does he turn? Wait, who am I kidding? Even after getting beat by yet another name fighter, he'll fight ANOTHER big name on PPV and get people to watch it even though he never wins. And I thought Zab Judah got away with sh*t... yeah I see the bolded happening .. Oscar for life! but just who'll he face? Chavez Jr. Trinidad?