ESPN's Teddy Atlas: "ODH legacy tainted"

i think that the fact that we all knew that dlh was cherry picking his opponent espeically pacman and the size difference is why this loss counts alot... hopkins loss at least he was going to the stars with that challenge.. but this pacman fight smelled like the mayorga beat down that supposedly meant he was back on track.... if he wouldve fought margartio and got destroyed in two rounds it wouldnt have hurt his legacy as bad as this fight.... pac basically came up from 130 to fight him at 147.... there is a reason why fights like these dont happen to often.... this wasnt dlh "challenging" himself against the best.. this was him trying gain points on the name of the most popular fighter who is way smaller than him...backfire.... and when you gain only two pounds (supposedly) on fight night you know they miscalcuated something...

two losses to mosley.... one loss to trinidad and one loss to maywether... so beating up an old chavez and gatti are great acheivements... whitaker, quartey , vargas, mayorga make him an all time great.... yeah right Please read my post again and read what the thread starter said about Oscar's loss to Hopkins and now Pac. Also...my last statement was "If we want to see if Oscar is an ATG based on what he was doing and failed to do in his prime....sure...fair enough." Note: Shane was on steroids for the fight...and Oscar should have won that fight with Tito on the scorecards...but since he didn't; I'll give it to you. Is Oscar an ATG; probably not...at least now with his Wins and Losses in his prime. I don't consider losing to Hopkins a big deal. For Pac: not that big of deal either. If oscar was in his prime; yeah; it would hurt him bad. But since given the circumstances and the history of other fighters that lost towards the end of their careers...not that big of a deal. The big thing besides the age, inactivity and the shoulder injury...was the weight he would have to make. You show up Flat; you are not likely to win. It would still be against his legacy for one reason: He decided to fight this fight and every decision goes into winning a fight. Thinking he would still be good at 147 was a big mistake...it's a hit on his legacy for that reason.

look, you can't get your ass beat by a 106 lber and expect to be an ATG... that's just not happening

Please...Oscar is a hall of famer. He's done enough.

For Oscar: let's look at it and let's look at your comments. Hopkins: WTF are you talking about. Hopkins was a big Middleweight who knocked-out a man who started his career as a lightweight with body/liver shot. How does that taint his ATG status? Pac: End of his career and given all the circumstances that even Freddie Roach mentioned in the build-up...it means Oscar just did what other great fighters have done: Fight past their prime and made stupid mistakes. You have to look at everything and not look at what you want to look at: Look below the surface not just above. Ali is not an ATG because he lost to Frazier, who was blown out by Foreman; Norton; Leon Spinks; Holmes; and Berbick. SRR: not an ATG because he sucked towards the end of his career. Roy Jones Jr: not an ATG because he sucked at the end of his career. Holyfield: Take him off the list Tszyu: take him off the list. KO'd by Phillips and Hatton. Lewis: Lost to Rahman and McCall...take him off the list. I can go on all day. If we want to see if Oscar is an ATG based on what he was doing and failed to do in his prime....sure...fair enough. two losses to mosley.... one loss to trinidad and one loss to maywether... so beating up an old chavez and gatti are great acheivements... whitaker, quartey , vargas, mayorga make him an all time great.... yeah right

Oh really? questioning DLH huh? Buddy I've been almost a one man band pointing out de la hypejob was a product of marketing and nothing else. Where were you then??? Don't show up after he gets his ass kicked and make claims, back them up. You haven't been paying attention, then. But, now it's about more than you and I and other posters here. Now people like Teddy Atlas are blatantly downgrading ODH and his importance to the sport. It took Pacquiao to finally get them off high center and start telling it like it is.

Its one thing to lose to someone in ur division but to have someone put extra pounds and smaller then u and then pummel u?I thought this fight was gonna be a mismatch and i was wrong.Very strange night. no you were right that it was a mismatch just u picked the wrong fighter... ive said for months if Pacquiao used his speed n was smart he would TKO DLH n he did just that!

haha vargas That is sad, he got titos left-overs?

Longetivity makes a great fighter and thats what Oscar is not.I think he is overrated, i am sorry.He is good but not great.Thats why i still prefer Hopkins's career even over RJJ

funny part is that golden boy promotions as a promotional outfit is borderline garbage.... they heavly depend on dlh fighting and being able to manipulate dates with hbo...like the bait and switches they were pulling with barreara and marquez fights on days oscar was supposed to fight.... while they do have some young up and commers they really havent navigated too many prospects from the ground up .. theyve just cherry picked because of oscars clout AS A FIGHTER NOT PROMOTER.... even a fighter like ortiz tonight...was a operation from the bottom with gbp but with top rank...

Bye Bye, Oscar De La Homo :boxing: What the **** was your biggest win anyways Oscar, you lost like all your big fights. haha vargas

For Oscar: let's look at it and let's look at your comments. Hopkins: WTF are you talking about. Hopkins was a big Middleweight who knocked-out a man who started his career as a lightweight with body/liver shot. How does that taint his ATG status? Pac: End of his career and given all the circumstances that even Freddie Roach mentioned in the build-up...it means Oscar just did what other great fighters have done: Fight past their prime and made stupid mistakes. You have to look at everything and not look at what you want to look at: Look below the surface not just above. Ali is not an ATG because he lost to Frazier, who was blown out by Foreman; Norton; Leon Spinks; Holmes; and Berbick. SRR: not an ATG because he sucked towards the end of his career. Roy Jones Jr: not an ATG because he sucked at the end of his career. Holyfield: Take him off the list Tszyu: take him off the list. KO'd by Phillips and Hatton. Lewis: Lost to Rahman and McCall...take him off the list. I can go on all day. If we want to see if Oscar is an ATG based on what he was doing and failed to do in his prime....sure...fair enough.

Pummeled is such a perfect word!

Its one thing to lose to someone in ur division but to have someone put extra pounds and smaller then u and then pummel u?I thought this fight was gonna be a mismatch and i was wrong.Very strange night.

Bye Bye, Oscar De La Homo :boxing: What the **** was your biggest win anyways Oscar, you lost like all your big fights.