Mosley Testimony Released

I hope no one ever believed that unknowingly bullshit. At least Shane was smart enough not to lie like Clemens and Marion. ****ing idiots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2008/12/02/2008-12-02_sugar_shane_mosley_told_grand_jury_of_ep.html Boxer "Sugar" Shane Mosley testified in 2003 that he injected himself with the notorious doping agent EPO as he prepared for his light-middleweight title fight against Oscar De La Hoya, according to grand jury transcripts and doping calendars reviewed by the Daily News. The Mosley transcripts are part of a massive BALCO file that was under a protective order from March of 2004 until last week, when U.S District Court Judge Susan Illston vacated the order at the request of prosecutors who are preparing for the March 2 trial of Barry Bonds on perjury charges. In the testimony, recorded on Dec. 11, 2003, at the federal courthouse in San Francisco, Mosley also said that BALCO founder Victor Conte explained in detail how the drug was used and what its effects would be, including the potential harmful effects of the highly-regulated endurance booster. Mosley has admitted publicly and under oath that he used steroids and EPO, but has denied knowing that the drugs were banned or illegal. When asked if he had gotten EPO from Conte, Mosley replied: "Yes, the hematocrit." "And that's something you actually inject into yourself?" he was asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Nedrow. "I think it's right by your stomach, yes," Mosley said, indicating where the drug is often injected. Conte has said he instructed Mosley on techniques for drawing EPO from a bottle with a syringe and injecting it in each side of the belly button in what is known as "double-saturation" injections. At one point in the questioning, Nedrow produced a calendar seized from the BALCO lab showing Mosley used a potent cocktail of steroids and EPO right up until a few days before his victorious fight with De La Hoya on Sept. 13, 2003. The calendars denote which days Mosley was supposed to take which substances. Mosley acknowledged that the calendar, marked "S.M.," contained instructions for him, and that the prices scribbled on the margins corresponded with the money he owed Conte for the treatments. (Conte, who estimates Mosley injected himself 20 times on each side of his belly button in the month before the fight, says he drew up the calendar while Mosley watched.) Nedrow then pointed to the letter "E," which appears on the calendars at regular intervals in July and August. "E, are those the injections of the EPO?," Nedrow asked Mosley. "Yes, those would be the days," Mosley answered. Conte is embroiled in a bitter defamation suit filed against him by Mosley, who claimed in U.S. District Court in California that the BALCO founder had defamed him when he told reporters, including the Daily News, that Mosley had knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. Mosley withdrew that suit in August, refiling immediately in New York state court. Mosley also threatened to sue the publisher of Conte's book, and Conte's lawyers received an e-mail today from Skyhorse Publishing saying they no longer plan to publish the book because of the lawsuit threat. As a result, Conte is now looking for a new publisher for his controversial book. Mosley, who will fight Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24, 2009 in an HBO-televised fight for the world welterweight championship, gave his testimony to the same grand jury before which Barry Bonds allegedly committed perjury. Although he has claimed since then that he thought BALCO's injectibles were safe and legal supplements, Mosley made it clear to the grand jury that he was worried the products Conte provided him were possibly dangerous. "He explained to me also that - I think if you - if you take too much of it, your blood can get too thick and, you know, it can be bad for you," Mosley testified. EPO affects a person's hematocrit, increasing the number of oxygen-rich red blood cells and thereby boosting endurance. It is banned in Olympic sports and its widespread abuse has all but destroyed the sport of cycling in recent years. Mosley's attorney Judd Burstein said that the testimony was consistent with all other claims Mosley has made under oath in the intervening years. "I am very relieved that this grand jury testimony has been released because it confirms that Shane has consistently recounted his dealings with Conte from 2003 to today," Burstein said. Earlier this year, Burstein told the L.A. Times that his client "wouldn't know a hematocrit from a chromatic print," but in fact Mosley described hematocrit levels in detail during his grand jury testimony. " told me that, you know, the hematocrit level was supposed to be at a certain level," Mosley testified. "And like cyclists and a lot of long distance runners and stuff like that use it… he explained that to me and I said: 'Okay, that's something that I can do to get my endurance as high as it can possibly be." Conte confirmed that account to the Daily News on Tuesday. "Mosley asked me about the positive effects of using EPO and how he would benefit from using it as a boxer," Conte said. "He certainly knew that it was EPO and there are three witnesses that were there that day when he was told about it and did his first EPO injection in front of us. I also told him that 'the clear' and 'the cream' were undetectable steroids that would not create a positive test. Shane Mosley has been lying publicly about his use of performance enhancing drugs and there is plenty of evidence to prove that fact. It is despicable that he continues to abuse the judicial system for his own financial gain by telling lies." Mosley was also questioned about his use of the designer steroids "the cream" (testosterone and epitestosterone) and "the clear" (THG), which are also written on his calendars. "I didn't think that any of this was steroids," Mosley said. "I told Victor, you know, I told him that, you know, boxers don't really need steroids in the first place, because you know, steroids don't do anything. Boxing is basically from the mind…" Mosley told Nedrow he thought the clear was actually flaxseed oil, a similar argument to the one used by Barry Bonds and other athletes who have been accused of using "the clear." Nedrow asked Mosley, "Did you know it was something besides flaxseed oil?" Mosley: "Well, I wasn't sure exactly what it was."

Supposedly Mosley passed a lie dector test that "proved" he unknowingly took the drugs. He thought it was just some performance enhancing stuff that was legal. Supposedly they even called some of the boxing orginizations to see if it was on the banned list, which it wasn't at the time. This is what I heard about 14 months ago when it came up again. You can go find the articles, im too lazy to re-find it. I don't think Shane would willingly cheat, but you make guys make your own decisions... Doesn't matter if he willingly cheated or not. It was still an illegal advantage and should be changed to a NC. And as much as I've always admired the way Shane has carried himself........passing a lie detector doesn't mean shit. That is why their results mean nothing in a court of law.

no way should his win over DLH the 2nd time count. they took Toneys HW title away, they should NC this fight too

well it didnt do him much good he performed better in the first fight without drugs. That's mainly because was a better fighter 3 years earlier, and DLH fought a smarter bout in the rematch.

A U.S. District Court judge has unsealed thousands of previously court-protected documents from the BALCO drug case including former world champion "Sugar" Shane Mosley's 2003 grand jury testimony. According to the New York Daily News, Mosley testified that he injected himself with the performance enhancing substance EPO before his second fight with Oscar De La Hoya, who ironically is now his business partner. Mosley is scheduled to challenge WBA welterweight champion Antonio Margarito on January 24th. Source : http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EkklklAyVpUwislYQQ.html well it didnt do him much good he performed better in the first fight without drugs.

Mosley is a cheater and don't kid yourself. He's a professional athlete superfocused on his weight so of course he knew what he took. Ask yourself if he would expose himself to unknowingly take a drug that might increase his weight. Obviously he wouldn't. But he's likely just one out of a majority of topfighters who took EPO and today takes the new wonderdrug CERA (3. generation EPO).

Supposedly Mosley passed a lie dector test that "proved" he unknowingly took the drugs. He thought it was just some performance enhancing stuff that was legal. Supposedly they even called some of the boxing orginizations to see if it was on the banned list, which it wasn't at the time. This is what I heard about 14 months ago when it came up again. You can go find the articles, im too lazy to re-find it. I don't think Shane would willingly cheat, but you make guys make your own decisions...

Agreed. I also find it insincere when he says he didn't know he was taking steriods. If you have to hide it, you can be pretty sure it isn't legal. Its hard to believe even the stupidest (something Shane isn't) world class athlete wouldn't be able to figure that out. Nearly everyone uses the "I didn't know what I was taking" excuse. Who flies across the state to inject themselves in the stomach with legal supplements? :rofl::rofl: Since Mosley has a reputation as a nice guy, people want to believe he's telling the truth. I don't believe it one bit, good guy or not. Hell, people have told me that Luis Resto is a nice guy. He committed one the worst acts of cheating ever, numerous times. Athletes with their "I thought it was legal" excuses ranks somewhere along Eddie Murphy's "I was just giving that tranny hooker a ride home" excuse and Mike Tyson's "Holyfield's ear is like that from a punch" claim.

can oscar contest it? not that he cares but it should come from him Personaly I think it should come from the organizations who sanctioned the fights. Goes towards moral integrity. Then again, we are talking about the WBA and WBC here.:dunno:

I haven't given Shane credit for that win ever since last year when he admitted to "unknowingly" using steroids and EPO. I've said since then, that it should be a no-contest. The difference between Mosley and someone like James Toney is that Mosley went to a place where the drugs were supposed to be undetectable, while the genius Toney used Deca, which stays in your system for awhile. Agreed. I also find it insincere when he says he didn't know he was taking steriods. If you have to hide it, you can be pretty sure it isn't legal. Its hard to believe even the stupidest (something Shane isn't) world class athlete wouldn't be able to figure that out.

can oscar contest it? not that he cares but it should come from him

No it doesn't. But what Im curious about is, should or will the WBC and WBA declare the second Oscar fight a NC? I've always felt Oscar won that fight. But in light of Shanes testimony I feel that no way should he be allowed to keep the victory. Whether he knowingly cheated or not is irrelevant. He still cheated. I doubt it, it's been a few years now but it should be changed to a NC. I always thought DLH won that fight as well.

No it doesn't. But what Im curious about is, should or will the WBC and WBA declare the second Oscar fight a NC? I've always felt Oscar won that fight. But in light of Shanes testimony I feel that no way should he be allowed to keep the victory. Whether he knowingly cheated or not is irrelevant. He still cheated. I haven't given Shane credit for that win ever since last year when he admitted to "unknowingly" using steroids and EPO. I've said since then, that it should be a no-contest. The difference between Mosley and someone like James Toney is that Mosley went to a place where the drugs were supposed to be undetectable, while the genius Toney used Deca, which stays in your system for awhile.

So he knowingly took performance enhancing drugs, this really doesn't help his legacy. No it doesn't. But what Im curious about is, should or will the WBC and WBA declare the second Oscar fight a NC? I've always felt Oscar won that fight. But in light of Shanes testimony I feel that no way should he be allowed to keep the victory. Whether he knowingly cheated or not is irrelevant. He still cheated.

Isn't this basically the same news that was told about 14 months ago. Mosley: I "unknowingly" injected myself with illegal performance enhancing drugs. :rofl: lol yeah he claimed he thought they were "vitamins" um.. sure. I dont understand why he doesnt get more shit from fans. Yes he's soft spoken and pussywhipped but he's still a fraud and a cheat and is undeserving of the titles he won in that controversial rematch against dlh.

Isn't this basically the same news that was told about 14 months ago. Mosley: I "unknowingly" injected myself with illegal performance enhancing drugs. :rofl:

just about to post this .. it was on espn http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3740889

So he knowingly took performance enhancing drugs, this really doesn't help his legacy.