There have been some great Super middleweight's to come out of britain! Benn, Eubank, Watson, Collins and the best of them all Joe Calzaghe. Most of these men became world champions and great to watch. Carl Froch? Most ppl have probably not even heard of him. He is undefeated in 23 fights and has 19wins by KO. Impressive? He hasnt really been tested yet he has a good win against an old Former World Champion Robin Reid. But the question is how far can he go? He has a WBC World title shot against Pascal. I believe he is the strongest the division of the Super middleweights have. Lacy, Taylor, Dennis Inkin who rejected 2 fight with him and Karoly Balzsay wouldnt be srong enough against him. The best fight he could get is Kessler that would be a test for him. But the Ultimate would be Calzaghe. I think Calzaghe would beat him but i think he is the only one that could. What do you think?
Not necessarily. Pure boxing fans knew of Calzaghe, but before the Lacy fight not many casuals did. Also, the Eubank fight made him a household name to the die-hards. Lacy put him on the world scene. Still, it was a title fight that propelled him. The same that will see Froch's name known. A British fighter with a World Title is a big deal (at large weight division).
Hatton mainly fought from the MEN Arena in Manchester, with Warrens' stable of British fighters thrown on the same cards. Froch is fighting to similar crowds also without a World title. That should change if he has one. You cannot deny that.
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True of American fight fans not of British fight fans.
Calzaghe was known for beating Eubank and Reid and Hatton was known as "That guy some dude who is useless, calls out all the time"
Hatton was also fighting in Venue's bigger than anything Vagas has to offer crowd wise 15 fights before he fought Tzsyu.
Not necessarily. Pure boxing fans knew of Calzaghe, but before the Lacy fight not many casuals did. Also, the Eubank fight made him a household name to the die-hards. Lacy put him on the world scene. Still, it was a title fight that propelled him. The same that will see Froch's name known. A British fighter with a World Title is a big deal (at large weight division).
Hatton mainly fought from the MEN Arena in Manchester, with Warrens' stable of British fighters thrown on the same cards. Froch is fighting to similar crowds also without a World title. That should change if he has one. You cannot deny that.
Calzaghe was never the star he is today until he fought Lacy in 06. That's 9 years after a World Title win. He wasn't a big name to the casuals until after the Lacy fight.
Hatton was not known to casual boxing fans until the Tszyu fight in 2005. It was that fight that made Britain take notice. That was also his first World Title fight.True of American fight fans not of British fight fans.
Calzaghe was known for beating Eubank and Reid and Hatton was known as "That guy some dude who is useless, calls out all the time"
Hatton was also fighting in Venue's bigger than anything Vagas has to offer crowd wise 15 fights before he fought Tzsyu.
Okay let me rephrase that, casual boxing fans don't know who Froch is, hense why he'll never become the next British star.
Calzaghe was never the star he is today until he fought Lacy in 06. That's 9 years after a World Title win. He wasn't a big name to the casuals until after the Lacy fight.
Hatton was not known to casual boxing fans until the Tszyu fight in 2005. It was that fight that made Britain take notice. That was also his first World Title fight.
Froch is coming into his first title fight also. If he wins, and goes onto face Taylor and beats him, that will be the fight to make him. All fighters need 1 fight to make them a star.
I believe he will become one, as Calzaghe and Hatton look to retire with payday fights, Froch will take their mantle. Haye will also be the other boxer to take Cal/Hatton's tag.
Kell Brook needs time, but he can become huge.
You said nobody knows who he is, and I said plenty of people know who he is, and more importantly, the fighters know who he is.
I can't make sense of your last post.
Okay let me rephrase that, casual boxing fans don't know who Froch is, hense why he'll never become the next British star.
Hmmm. If Pavlik can KO Taylor, Froch can. I'm sure of it.
Can and will are two different things.
"If Tony Tucker can KO Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson can. I'm sure of it."
Logical, right? However, completely irrelevant.
Pavlik's got a more consistent attack than Froch. He's also got better defense and a solid chin, yet was within one solid punch of getting TKO'd himself by Taylor.
And it's not as though it came easy to Pavlik, otherwise he would've done it a second time, but he didn't. Largely because Taylor is an improved fighter since his first loss.
Taylor was offered more money to fight Froch than he got from Lacy fight.
Iv read he is now after fighting Bute, hes scared of Froch big time.
1. Prove that he was offered more money to fight Froch. And a claim from Mick Hennessy is hardly objective and does not count.
2. Scared of Froch so he's going after Bute? Are you listening to yourself? Bute has a much better record than Froch and is considered the better fighter. That would be like claiming someone ducked Miranda to face Kessler.
The Froch nuthugging has got to stop until he proves himself worthy.
I have never sat down and actually watched froch..
I usually find myself making rude hand gestures towards him when ever he is on the
telly.BUT im gonna check this fight out and reserve judgement till then
I wasn't referring to boxing fans.
You said nobody knows who he is, and I said plenty of people know who he is, and more importantly, the fighters know who he is.
I can't make sense of your last post.
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I really hope froch is what his fans want him to be. I have seen most of his fights, he appears to have good power and a good chin. i really want another good SMW from the UK, however his level of competition hasn't shown us enough to really determine how good or bad he can be, having said that, go the cobra!
It wasn't really any different for Joe Calzaghe. For years Joe looked great but due to him being so much better than pretty much all the opponents he faced, people were not really sure just how good. Most got their answer when he humiliated Jeff Lacy. That was Joe's coming out party, but it didn't happen until Joe was in his mid 30's.
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Plenty of people know who he is, and more importantly, fighters know who he is (and they avoid him).
I am not from Nottingham but I have kept an eye on Froch for 6 years now. I know who he is! And I was born in the US (although I haven't lived there for some time, admittedly).
But anyway, Carl is better than a lot of people think. All he needs is the chance to prove it.
I wasn't referring to boxing fans.
He's in his 30's and no-one knows who he is, besides Nottingham.
Plenty of people know who he is, and more importantly, fighters know who he is (and they avoid him).
I am not from Nottingham but I have kept an eye on Froch for 6 years now. I know who he is! And I was born in the US (although I haven't lived there for some time, admittedly).
But anyway, Carl is better than a lot of people think. All he needs is the chance to prove it.
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There have been some great Super middleweight's to come out of britain! Benn, Eubank, Watson, Collins and the best of them all Joe Calzaghe. Most of these men became world champions and great to watch. Carl Froch? Most ppl have probably not even heard of him. He is undefeated in 23 fights and has 19wins by KO. Impressive? He hasnt really been tested yet he has a good win against an old Former World Champion Robin Reid. But the question is how far can he go? He has a WBC World title shot against Pascal. I believe he is the strongest the division of the Super middleweights have. Lacy, Taylor, Dennis Inkin who rejected 2 fight with him and Karoly Balzsay wouldnt be srong enough against him. The best fight he could get is Kessler that would be a test for him. But the Ultimate would be Calzaghe. I think Calzaghe would beat him but i think he is the only one that could. What do you think?
I think Froch is a good fighter with a great sneaky uppercut that he uses with perfection. However He is not a young buck anymore and needs to dominate Pascal for him to get a shot at Kessler, Taylor. I believe he would beat Lacy on any given day. A fight with Mundine would be good.
Two of the three you named
Cal Vs Froch and HAtton Vs Witter didn't happen because one of the fighter is not even remotely on the same level as the other, it would make for a bad one sided fight and destroy what little fan base Froch and Witter had.
we'll never know that but look at who benn fought, fought anyone, true warrior. i like calzaghe and hatton but they are not warriors in benns class and are just in it for the money and ego.
Two of the three you named
Cal Vs Froch and HAtton Vs Witter didn't happen because one of the fighter is not even remotely on the same level as the other, it would make for a bad one sided fight and destroy what little fan base Froch and Witter had.
i just think it's bullshit that froch has had to deal with. Inkin and taylor both not manning up to face him. All this crap of risk/reward, boxing fans just want to see the best fight the best. Taylor got his shot to enter the big time why not give another one his. Pussy. Calazaghe the same. Could fight good domestic fight like froch, like he got his chance agaisnt Eubank or give Dawson a shot. just too many times this has happened bowe-lewis, hatton-witter just to name a couple.
I'm totally undecided over how far Froch can go. He's not exactly a spring chicken at 31 & has fought nobody of note yet (Robin Reid is the biggest name on his resume and he was completely shot).
There's no doubt he has plenty of power, but he does leave his chin out to dry which makes me question how well he would do with hard straight hitters like Kessler & Pavlik. It all depends on how well he can take the shots. The fighters he's been up against have looked sub-standard to say the least.
I do think he'll beat Pascal though, especially with the fight being in his home city of Nottingham. If he does, then the big fights will be just round the corner and I hope he can make a name for himself in the next couple of years.
I really hope froch is what his fans want him to be. I have seen most of his fights, he appears to have good power and a good chin. i really want another good SMW from the UK, however his level of competition hasn't shown us enough to really determine how good or bad he can be, having said that, go the cobra!
Taylor was offered more money to fight Froch than he got from Lacy fight.
Iv read he is now after fighting Bute, hes scared of Froch big time.
Watch all the so called big names go after, WBO, IBF titles to avoid Froch.
Froch v Kessler at the City Ground, June 2009