how much better is calzaaghe's resume than hatton's?

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank. By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point? Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense. The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did. Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Jones all lost in their last meaningful fights before fighting Calzaghe

You cant compare Hopkins vs Calzaghe and Hatton PBF, cuz Calzaghe actually won the fight!!!!!!! And you cant compare a 35 years old Tzsyu to a Undefeted young champion like Kessler. Hopkins 43 year old Jones 40 years of age (2 months away and even more shot than Hopkins) You can't lose fighting these guys... How much credit can you give him really? Hatton >> Joe Calzaghe in my opinion already. Tszu was 35, so what? Tszu is still a better win than 43 year old Hopkins or Jones... And Hopkins is the very best Calzaghe has to offer. Some ATG :lol1::lol1::lol1:

Ricky has won 6 genuine belts in two weight classes and has unified LWW. Calzaghe has won 3 geniune Belts and Unified SWM. I hate to see what you class as real fighters... he has paul on his avatar. maybe winning a belt and never defending it?

really they both suck ass Ricky has won 6 genuine belts in two weight classes and has unified LWW. Calzaghe has won 3 geniune Belts and Unified SWM. I hate to see what you class as real fighters...

Calzaghe and Hatton both have solid resumes and are first ballot Hall of Fame fighters regardless of what some of you haters post, deal with it!

I would say Hatton has the better resume. But Hatton did have more options and names around his weight class then Joe did IMO. Plus Ricky chose not to be a Frank Warren monkey, unlike Joe.

You're right, he didn't. Shame because it would probably done have done more for Joe's legacy. I'm a massive fan of Ricky's too. I was at the Tszyu fight. yeah beating collins would've been a great win.

steve collins had no interest in losing to joe. at least from what i've read...... oh don't get me wrong eubank win was a good win. i always count it as one of his best wins. i'm just pointing out some things on the eubank win since SOME seem to try to diminish ricky's resume and his win over kostya. You're right, he didn't. Shame because it would probably done have done more for Joe's legacy. I'm a massive fan of Ricky's too. I was at the Tszyu fight.

Nah ,the point is JC went after the strongest titlist at the time. He didn't go looking for a vacant belt. Hardly his fault that Collins' ass fell out before the fight. Eubank fought weight drained half of the time anyway and he was only 31 for ****'s sake. Shot fighters don't jump 2 divisions and miss out on winning a world title by a whisker. Calzaghe was a relative novice and he absolutley dominated Eubank. Impressive. steve collins had no interest in losing to joe. at least from what i've read...... oh don't get me wrong eubank win was a good win. i always count it as one of his best wins. i'm just pointing out some things on the eubank win since SOME seem to try to diminish ricky's resume and his win over kostya.

so we're counting "supposed" fights as part of the resume now. fine i'll count manny pacquiao for ricky. since he's suppose to fight manny but oscar might/could ruin it. so he fights at cruiserweight after joe and does good.......considering he hadn't been a 168 fighter for 2 years before the joe fight......kinda weakens joe's win even more doesn't it? if he's fighting at 190 1 fight later and hasn't fought at his natural weight class for 2 years......kinda proves he was past it. past it guys can't make their weight easily anymore. :) Nah ,the point is JC went after the strongest titlist at the time. He didn't go looking for a vacant belt. Hardly his fault that Collins' ass fell out before the fight. Eubank fought weight drained half of the time anyway and he was only 31 for ****'s sake. Shot fighters don't jump 2 divisions and miss out on winning a world title by a whisker. Calzaghe was a relative novice and he absolutley dominated Eubank. Impressive.

I think Both fighters Resume got better once they finally ditched Frank Warren.

You do know that Joe was supposed to fight Collins for the belt but he suddenly decided to retire 2 weeks before the fight, right? Oh, and Eubank didn't look too shot in his CW fights with Thompson afterwards. so we're counting "supposed" fights as part of the resume now. fine i'll count manny pacquiao for ricky. since he's suppose to fight manny but oscar might/could ruin it. so he fights at cruiserweight after joe and does good.......considering he hadn't been a 168 fighter for 2 years before the joe fight......kinda weakens joe's win even more doesn't it? if he's fighting at 190 1 fight later and hasn't fought at his natural weight class for 2 years......kinda proves he was past it. past it guys can't make their weight easily anymore. :)

i think the question should be... who do you think will finish with the better legacy?

ok shot might be abit ober the top but he was well past his prime and at the end of his career...

its pretty much fact that eubank was shot... i think even joe's camp agree on that Past prime? Yes. Shot? No. Guess you didn't see the Thompson fights.

You do know that Joe was supposed to fight Collins for the belt but he suddenly decided to retire 2 weeks before the fight, right? Oh, and Eubank didn't look too shot in his CW fights with Thompson afterwards. its pretty much fact that eubank was shot... i think even joe's camp agree on that

so you're comparing a fighter's fight as he positions himself to a title shot to a reigning champion's defenses? i don't care who a person fights as he tries to get a title shot. i care about who he fought after becoming a champion. ricky was around 27 when he got his title shot against kostya. (wbu doesn't count) joe was around 26 when he got his title shot against eubank. unlike joe , ricky didn't get his belt fighting a shot fighter for a vacant belt. maybe ricky needed a 38-0 record to get a title shot at the 140 lineal champion and p4p fighter. all i know is after beating kostya , ricky challenged another beltholder and a fight after that challenged for a belt in a higher weight class. ricky also challenged the #1 p4p fighter in the world soon after. why did it take joe almost a decade as champion to fight another beltholder? why did it take joe more than a decade to jump up and challenge for a belt in a higher division? oh yeah joe fought #1 p4p fighters too...... about a half decade too late...... You do know that Joe was supposed to fight Collins for the belt but he suddenly decided to retire 2 weeks before the fight, right? Oh, and Eubank didn't look too shot in his CW fights with Thompson afterwards.

Now i agree with you there. But i dont agree that Calzaghe fought truley world class oponents at 38-0. They may have been worl class 2-3 years before he fought them, but not when he did. You can't just quote big names and expect people to see them as world class when you fought them, you need to look at the context of the fight and where his opponents were when he fought them. Just because they were good once, doesnt mean they are good forever, fighting a name is one thing, fighting a prime name is completely different! You've just described Kostya there to a tee.

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank. By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point? Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense. The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did. ricky had no choice but hold on to the wbu belt. by 2001 kostya had practically all the belts (wbc , wba , ibf , ring) at 140 remember? kostya didn't get stripped of his belts 'til like '04. he could have gone after the wbo belt at 140 but i think zab judah had it. i don't think ricky's camp was willing to risk that fight. (not worth risking an L and losing a chance on getting kostya for ricky)

By 38-0, Calzaghe had fought Mitchell, Brewer, Sheika, Woodhall, Reid, Veit and Eubank. By any stretch of the imagination, their comparable records at 38-0 simply are light years apart. And you can't seriously sit there and argue that Hatton couldn't have got a fight at a genuine world champion or world level fighter at that point? Now, if you want to argue that, over the last 3 years, Hatton's competition is stronger than Calzaghe's then make that case. But to argue over their whole careers then that to me is a complete nonsense. The irony for those of us who have followed Hatton's career from the beginning is that he's been on the slide physically since that Tsyzu fight. He could have achieved so much more if he'd ditched Warren and that coveted WBU belt. I was crying out for him to fight for a proper world title for years before he actually did. Now i agree with you there. But i dont agree that Calzaghe fought truley world class oponents at 38-0. They may have been worl class 2-3 years before he fought them, but not when he did. You can't just quote big names and expect people to see them as world class when you fought them, you need to look at the context of the fight and where his opponents were when he fought them. Just because they were good once, doesnt mean they are good forever, fighting a name is one thing, fighting a prime name is completely different!