James Toney and steroids...

damn boxing takes a toll on somebodies body.

Heres my take on Roy Jones Jr. and steroids. Roy Jones Jr. and steroids... Roy Jones Jr. tested postive for Androsteindione in 2000 against RICHARD HALL. Andro was available OTC at stores like the GNC until 2004.-You can look it up if you don't believe me. Roy made the mistake of taking a banned substance, but it was legal to buy at the time. Show me a legitimate source, that says Roy was linked to Balco. Mosley was named, why wouldn't victor conte named Roy? Theres no legit source that says Roy was buying THG from Victor Conte. Its speculation because he went downhill in 2003. But remember, he was nearly 35 years old when he went downhill. You can't tell me 35 is an athlete prime still. BUT HE LOOKED SUPERHUMAN AGAINST RUIZ!! True, but Ruiz is very limited as a fighter. Not to mention with the help of Mackie Shilstone, Roy was in the shape of his life and extremely focused. You do realize Roy didn't just melt off weight to fight Ruiz, right? He melt 20+ lbs. of muscle. And he did it in 6 weeks thinking he was going to get a fight with Mike Tyson. In your mid thirties, that can take its toll on you. And remember Tarver is a step up in comp. from John Ruiz. As far as the rematch goes, he just got hit with a punch he didn't see. That could have happened at any point of his career. After the second Tarver fight, he was scared of getting koed and he was also getting older with each fight. What did you expect, Roy to stay superhuman forever? At some point all athletes go down the tubes, especially one like Roy who relied on speed and reflexes. You say the proof is pudding!!! he was faster at the higher weights than he was at the smaller. I disagree with that. I'd say he was faster than ever at 154. But even if you do think that proves it, thats all speculation on your part, you can't prove the truth. As far as your ace in the hole, an article from Anthony Hall, the head of doping. I've seen that piece posted all over the net on MESSAGE BOARDS. No legitimate source has ever confirmed that any of that was true. One kid even pasted lines from other articles in it on one site. I don't where it came from? But if theres no source for it, why should I believe it? anyone can write/type anything. I could say right now that DLH was steroids from 1996-1999. I have serum levels. Is it true, just because its written there? If the head of doping came out and said one of the biggest fighters in the sport has failed four tests, don't you think other boxing mediums would have picked up on that story? they sure did for the Richard Hall one. Once again, that message board posting, is very shady to me. So imo, Roy tested positive once for a soft steroid, that wasn't even banned at the time. The rest is hear say and speculation. With that said, believe what you want.

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/images/toney1.jpg http://www.thecheers.org/eng/article_pictures/2460/1672.jpg You sure are... So....lol what does that mean? hes in great shape. just because someone is in great shape, doesn't mean their on steroids. Sure he looks bigger in the second picture, but one is at middleweight and one is at heavyweight. James Toney was never on steroids until the end of his career, probably to recover from injuries. He wasn't taking THG to mask steroid use, because if he was, he would have got named in the victor conte case.

I'm not saying they did or didn't, there's no solid proof either way but what I'm saying is that if they did, it would be a bigger deal than Toney's late career steroid use since their physical ability was much greater than Toney's is these days and you'd have to wonder how they would've done if they didn't use steroids. Evander Holyfield said he was 100% sure that Tyson used steroids, that's only Holyfield of course but I wouldn't be surprised by it, especially after Tyson's prison stint. Holfyield said he "heard" from someone that Tyson used so he should use. We would have to find out who he heard it from and when. Most people seem to think Tyson did something after prison. In prison Butch Lewis saw Tyson and said he looked "fit" to fight so he was in decent shape, but not boxing shape, coming out. People noticed a change in Tyson's body. If you notice, prior to prison, especially in his days with Cus and Rooney, Mike had “smooth” muscles...which is why I think his stamina was better as well. According to sources that were around, Tyson had limited to no weight-lifting during that time in Catskill...everything was floor exercises designed by Cus. I remember some idiot boxing guy/trainer who called Cus a phony, said Cus was basically an idiot and behind the times because he noticed Mike was doing Old School stuff instead of lifting weights to trim more and get stronger. Not sure how you can think you are credible when Tyson went on to win the title. After prison, he worked with a personal trainer nobody heard of before and he had some 5 step plan to get Mike back in tip-top shape. This is suspicious. Mike came out looking more like a bodybuilder. I know he was relatively the same weight as in his prime, around 220+ post prison, pre-prison around 215-220...but he was ripped. Of course, there is the Old School method, which is still used today, Cocaine...which would explain Mike's habit. If not that, than it could be just dieting right with the help of a pro or, something he could have used something that is illegal. In Holyfield's book (which I skimmed), he basically called Tyson a cheat. He said Mike saw him during the build-up or something like that and he {Evander} had not been lifting yet so he was "smaller." Then, during the weigh-in, Holyfield, after weeks of training, was much bigger and Tyson thought something was up...so he demanded Holyfield to take a steroid test before the match. Holyfield basically said Tyson was mad that he wasn’t the only one cheating/using. Mike demanded a steroid test be given to Holyfield. Holyfield said he passed the test which is why nothing was ever brought up. It could be Tyson took steroids or, since Tyson demanded it, it could be that Tyson didn't want someone else to cheat...not sure. There is a thing with steroid cheats and it goes along with what James Toback (who is actually friends with Mike) once said in a documentary...he said: "When I was on drugs, I thought everybody was on them...and when I was off drugs, I thought nobody was on them." The point is a person that cheats, like using steroids, will have to justify it in some way to themselves in order to not feel like a cheat…so he tells himself: Everybody is doing it so it is fair. Mike was asked during the time Toney failed what he thought and he said something like: Could you imagine if I was on them; I would be a lethal weapon...and people would hang me for it. Somebody probably has the exact quote. I think everybody is basically suspect. It's a shame, but that's the way it is in today's World.

I'm not saying they did or didn't, there's no solid proof either way but what I'm saying is that if they did, it would be a bigger deal than Toney's late career steroid use since their physical ability was much greater than Toney's is these days and you'd have to wonder how they would've done if they didn't use steroids. Evander Holyfield said he was 100% sure that Tyson used steroids, that's only Holyfield of course but I wouldn't be surprised by it, especially after Tyson's prison stint. i did not know that Holy actually grew taller when he moved from CW to HW and the difference between Holys physique from his early days as a HW against the likes of Pinklon Thomas to the Holy that stepped in the ring against Tyson and Bowe 3 there was a massive difference Holyfield has shown all the signs of steroid user shoulder injuries heart problems,contracting hepatitis,also the Evans Field scandal leaves me very sceptical to say the least

At what point do you think each use steroids? I'm not saying they did or didn't, there's no solid proof either way but what I'm saying is that if they did, it would be a bigger deal than Toney's late career steroid use since their physical ability was much greater than Toney's is these days and you'd have to wonder how they would've done if they didn't use steroids. im sceptical about Toney,Holy,Jones more than anybody i dont know too much about any Tyson rumours Evander Holyfield said he was 100% sure that Tyson used steroids, that's only Holyfield of course but I wouldn't be surprised by it, especially after Tyson's prison stint.

I know but it's not like he is winning fights based on his superior physical conditioning. His steroid use late in his career doesn't really put his career legacy in doubt in my opinion, it's really fighters like Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield that I'm somewhat suspicious about. im sceptical about Toney,Holy,Jones more than anybody i dont know too much about any Tyson rumours

I know but it's not like he is winning fights based on his superior physical conditioning. His steroid use late in his career doesn't really put his career legacy in doubt in my opinion, it's really fighters like Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield that I'm somewhat suspicious about. At what point do you think each use steroids? Holyfield from CW to HW? RJ from LH to HW...MW to LH? Tyson...pre-prison, post prison? We can really do a whole list of names: Ruddock Lewis Mercer Tua basically eveybody in the 90's Steroids have been around since the 30's, used by bodybuilders since the 40's, athletes started in the 50's I think... Even the little guys have been caught using steroids. EPO might be big now as well. HGH and insulin. So many.

you dont have to look like a greek god to be using steroids you know people the same as you dont automatically look fantastic just from taking steroids you still have to work damn hard to achieve results you want I know but it's not like Toney is winning fights based on his superior physical conditioning. His steroid use late in his career doesn't really put his career legacy in doubt in my opinion, it's fighters like Roy Jones, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield that I'm somewhat suspicious about.

Yeah... But Toney REALLY REAAAAALLY does'nt look like a Greek God lol That's why most people I know attribute it to trying to heal the injury quickly. If he wanted to use steroids to get in shape, he could have done a lot more than Nandrolone and skipped that drug as well since it is detectable.

Yeah... But Toney REALLY REAAAAALLY does'nt look like a Greek God lol it still dont mean he did not take them

you dont have to look like a greek god to be using steroids you know people the same as you dont automatically look fantastic just from taking steroids you still have to work damn hard to achieve results you want

He took Nandrolone. Sometimes you can fail a test for having higher than normal nandrolone levels without you ever injecting the steroid, but in this case, I think the test was conclusive he straight up cheated; I'm assuming. Toney says the Doctor gave it to him and I think the Doctor said he didn't or it was something else or it wasn't for long...bad memory. Then, Toney was on ESPN talking about Pituitary gland failure from head injuries from boxing...which can happen and does occur. Doctors backed him on this. It causes low levels of testosterone. The only problem here is this: If Toney was taking Nandrolone, that would shut down his Pituitary and unlike most other steroids, it can take a long time to reboot...unless you have the proper drugs to help reboot...and sometimes I hear that doesn't work. Toney got caught right around the time he was coming back from injury. Nandrolone will help the healing process. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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You'd expect him to test positive after the Jirov or Holyfield fights if anything. I just think the injuries ****ed up his career.

i dont know if its true but im inclined to believe it cause he DOES strike me as the sort to cheat

Both times he got caught he looked like shit physically. Against Ruiz he really only had his right hand. I believe that it was his injuries he took them for the first time around. The second time I dont know.