I dont hate on Joe at all. Credit is due no matter what. Just not at much as some think though.
just do me a favor and check the resume.
recognize who he fought. and when he fought them.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=005364&cat=boxer
No hate what so ever, Just bein real. When it comes to ATG status take a hard look at this resume.
no dude. you know whats up.I know that if you look at the records of their opponents between fights 15-30 there isn't great deal of difference in level.
They both fought some good prospects, They both fought some good former and reigning champions and they both fought some bums.
Jones is better in my opinion but not so much so that you can say joe's opponents are bums in comparison.
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
many were top fighters at the time on Roys resume. his dominance just made people think they were horrible opponents. when it was far from the case. until the 1st fight with tarver, Roy probably lost about 10 rounds at most in his whole career prior to that fight.
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
many were top fighters at the time on Roys resume. his dominance just made people think they were horrible opponents. when it was far from the case. until the 1st fight with tarver, Roy probably lost about 10 rounds at most in his whole career prior to that fight.
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
many were top fighters at the time on Roys resume. his dominance just made people think they were horrible opponents. when it was far from the case. until the 1st fight with tarver, Roy probably lost about 10 rounds at most in his whole career prior to that fight.
Jones wasnt his best either, early in his career aswell. and he won that fight with 1 hand. musta forgot? thought so...
Your the one forgetting what happened tonight it seems.
:nono: Hopkins was'nt anywhere near his best when Jones beat him, he was still green.
Jones wasnt his best either, early in his career aswell. and he won that fight with 1 hand. musta forgot? thought so...
isnt beating prime toney and hopkins a lot better than beating prime kessler and lacy? they never accompished anything in boxing. both toney and hopkins were p4p number 1 fighters. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! REAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ IT.
:nono: Hopkins was'nt anywhere near his best when Jones beat him, he was still green.
isnt beating prime toney and hopkins a lot better than beating prime kessler and lacy? they never accompished anything in boxing. both toney and hopkins were p4p number 1 fighters. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! REAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ IT.
Prime Hopkins was circa 2000-2002. You know, the one Jones wouldn't fight. Which leaves Toney's lying, cheating self.
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
many were top fighters at the time on Roys resume. his dominance just made people think they were horrible opponents. when it was far from the case. until the 1st fight with tarver, Roy probably lost about 10 rounds at most in his whole career prior to that fight.
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
isnt beating prime toney and hopkins a lot better than beating prime kessler and lacy? they never accompished anything in boxing. both toney and hopkins were p4p number 1 fighters. THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE! REAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ IT.
we did this already rj.......EVERY fighter's resume can be broken down and made to look suspect......even Roy's.
I say he's an ATG by the way he conducts himself in the ring in regards to his ability to dictate the pace and adjust when needed. His over all fight game makes him one of the best ever.......forget the resume, just watch homie fight :boxing:
who has roy beat besides toney and hopkins?you people like to try to shit on calzghe's resume but you could do the same to roy and bernards resume
Joe, is that you?
Joe doesn't have a record to stand on to support any "All Time Great" debates. Mayweather accomplished more than him.
Jones
Hopkins
Mayweather
Calzaghe