If calzaghe beats jones then beats b hop in rematch...

Will u consider him a ATG ? I highly doubt it. If he done this, who would he then need to beat to be a ATG if calzaghe destroys or dominates rjj, beat hopkins convincingly, and beats dawson decisively, then I will consider him an ATG. I give calzagh some leeway in how dominating his wins should be since he is 36 years old; but there should be absolutely no controversy in his wins against these 3.

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Calzaghe is supposed to beat Jones and was supposed to beat Hopkins and would still be picked to win a rematch. Why would these feats at the end of RJJ and Hops career make some sort of landmark seal on JC's resume? Gimme a break. would Pavlik be a landmark seal? There is no one he can fight that will get that now. So Joe Calzaghe is what he is and you can accept him for what you will, but you'd have to judge every fighter by the same high standards.

Calzaghe is supposed to beat Jones and was supposed to beat Hopkins and would still be picked to win a rematch. Why would these feats at the end of RJJ and Hops career make some sort of landmark seal on JC's resume? Gimme a break.

He turned down strictly come dancing! Even Floyd done that shite. Floyd is an attention whore, and will do anything for a dollar. That's hardly a fair yardstick to use. It's true though, Calzaghe does himself no favours. If Calzaghe was able to self promote, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion about whether he is an ATG, as most would accept it as a given. (For the record, I am undecided on the subject)

He might not, but I do. And you're wrong. Calzaghe shuns the limelight wherever possible. He turned down strictly come dancing! Even Floyd done that shite.

you obviously don't live in a region that has welsh local TV. He might not, but I do. And you're wrong. Calzaghe shuns the limelight wherever possible.

Only if he steps up to heavyweight and fights Valuev.

Numerous interviews given over the last 5 years. he started saying "I will retire in 2008" before the Kessler fight that I can remember, and he's talked about how he doesn't like being in the Gym unless he has a fight to prepare for. you obviously don't live in a region that has welsh local TV. They have TV's in Wales? Thought it was just sheep and.....more sheep. My flippant nature has gotten me in much trouble over the years. Were it not for my size, I think I'd have been beaten up so many times, I'd be seriously handicapped right now.

Numerous interviews given over the last 5 years. he started saying "I will retire in 2008" before the Kessler fight that I can remember, and he's talked about how he doesn't like being in the Gym unless he has a fight to prepare for. That's him talking about retiring from fighting, not retiring from boxing. Everyone sportsmen has their performing days come to an end some day and some continue in the sport. You said he's not one whom can't live without boxing, which is wrong. He said he could even come back and fight one day, but that regardless he'll be involved with boxing as it's all he knows and loves it, so cannot live without it. The opposite of what you claimed. you obviously don't live in a region that has welsh local TV. Obvious huh, would that be another assumption? Actually I'm half Welsh and have experienced it first hand, not to mention watch and go through a fair amount of Welsh media coverage. It's no surprise the smaller locality of a countries leading sportsmen is going to be on TV more not by choice or seeking it, but my the media and journalists having way more coverage of him because he's the local sports hero. He also goes along with way more interviews in Wales because they often stay local which he prefers, less lime light yet he's proud to be doing his bit for Wales.

How do you know he's not 'one of these boxers whom cannot live without it'? What's to back this up?Numerous interviews given over the last 5 years. he started saying "I will retire in 2008" before the Kessler fight that I can remember, and he's talked about how he doesn't like being in the Gym unless he has a fight to prepare for. He has never sought media attention to any great degree, only been on TV a few times, nowhere near as much as someone like Hatton. you obviously don't live in a region that has welsh local TV.

How did you get that post of mine, I deleted it like a mili-second after i posted it. No he's on there because he has fought a ton of great fighters and beat them, he also has fought up and down the weight divisions and won. THAT qualifies him. Hopkins and Pac are maybe's, Hopkins because he lost too many big fights and Pac because he's not finished yet.

Oscar ATG? you gotta be shitting me

NO. And besides he will reite after the Jones fight regaurdless of the result. he's not one of these boxers who has nothing but boxing and cannot live without it. He's rich, got a family and enjoys working on TV I can see him being a pundit in a couple of years. How do you know he's not 'one of these boxers whom cannot live without it'? What's to back this up? I sense an assumption or hunch that's simply misguided. To the contrary Boxing is all he's ever known from a very young age. He's said himself several times that he loves the sport, it's in his blood, his life and he couldn't completely leave it. He's already set-up a promotional agency and his promoting his next fight, plans to continue promoting and said he'd even possibly train. He has never sought media attention to any great degree, only been on TV a few times, nowhere near as much as someone like Hatton.

ATG of 1990-2010: RJJ - ODLH - Tyson maybes Hopkins - Barrera - Morales - Pac -. RJJ is on there because of his heavyweight exploits, no doubt. Hopkins is on there for his record number of defenses at middleweight. Pac is on there because he beat Barrera and Morales. Joe has both a longer streak than Hopkins and he would hold a win over two fighters from the list, just like Pac. If it works for Hopkins and Pac, why wouldn't it work for Joe? He is also undefeated in achieving the same feats as those two. TBH, Joe probably shouldn't be on an ATG list, but you simply devalue your own arguement with comments like that.

How did you get that post of mine, I deleted it like a mili-second after i posted it. like a certain welshman, I have fast hands.

,,,,,,, How did you get that post of mine, I deleted it like a mili-second after i posted it.

I think Hopkins expected an easy win over Zaggs...I don't know if he specifically said so, but you can't say shit like "I ain't never gonna let no white boy beat me" (paraphrase) and expect people to think you're expecting a tough fight. So did Lacy, and Kessler, I think. Both seemed totally unprepared for what they faced in the ring. Byron Mitchell expected a fairly easy KO win (I remember him saying something like that a few weeks before that fight, if I'm actually remembering correctly). Hop said that to sell the fight that and his trying to be Ghetto I agree that Lacy thought he would have a easy time with Joe but i doubt anyone else has ever took Joe lightly they know what there up against

Whos everybody? Name some peeps name and shame them. Tell me those that have thought that Joe is an easy win I think Hopkins expected an easy win over Zaggs...I don't know if he specifically said so, but you can't say shit like "I ain't never gonna let no white boy beat me" (paraphrase) and expect people to think you're expecting a tough fight. So did Lacy, and Kessler, I think. Both seemed totally unprepared for what they faced in the ring. Byron Mitchell expected a fairly easy KO win (I remember him saying something like that a few weeks before that fight, if I'm actually remembering correctly).

You fight 21 defenses then, I bet you the weakest person you consider a bum on Calzaghes resume beats you in those 21 defenses in a fight. Actual I'm a Brit and a Calzaghe fan. However maybe 3 people per generation make it to ATG at best, to do so requires you to be in a Stacked Division and make multiple defences against other potential ATG's the one who dominates those and is part of the best prime Vs prime fights of that Era is ATG the others are just great fighters. Even people who have been p4p no1 might never make it as ATG imho. ATG of 1990-2010: RJJ - ODLH - Tyson maybes Hopkins - Barrera - Morales - Pac -.