23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

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!! Anorak breaks down the resume of Bernard Hopkins, a man that most consider an ATG: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188674 Like I said, you can do it to anyone. WTF? ....Oh excuse me......time to bump this thread

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I rest my case, Joe the Fagazhe!

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i Respect Joe Calzaghe As A Champion (no Hating) But He Isn't An Atg, Maybe In Europe Like Benn/eubank/sibson, But Not World Wide. ........cosign

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I'll give you one reason why he isn't an all time great... His opposition looks like a mirror image of roy jones jr, and bernard hopkins type opponents. Now shut the **** up with these moronic topics. Calzaghe, Jones Jr, Hopkins are all time greats. ****ing idiotic topic creator.

Dissecting Joe's Great 23 1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12 2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11. 3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning. 4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12. 5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0 8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12. 6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper. 7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 , but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5. 8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10. 9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1. 10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4. 11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12. 12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12. 13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2. 14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2. 15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7. 16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12. 17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6. 18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12. 19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12. 20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3. 21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12. 22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me, Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12. 23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12. I can do this with Robinson, Leonard, Ali, Mayweather. It got no real truth to it.

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I respect joe calzaghe as a champion (no hating) but he isn't an ATG, maybe in europe like benn/eubank/sibson, but not world wide.

That list doesn't even make sense given the title of this thread.

Yeah Hopkins was easier to hit (barely) in his prime so I guess Calzaghe would've won. What kind of logic is that? The opposite side can say Hopkins threw a lot more and would probably KO Calzaghe since he dropped him at 43. Just bad logic all around. I think Calzaghe would have preferred the earlier Hopkins style, and it would certainly have led to a less messy fight. Less running, less holding, less defense-based and more orthodox. What did we see in their fight? Hopkins clinched 163 times, threw a single shot and charged forward head-first, avoided mixing it up, faked low blows twice (or at the very least, over-reacted), ran out of gas, headbutted... you name it. And people wonder why Calzaghe ended up looking bad. We have NEVER seen Calzaghe look like that, nor have we ever seen Bernard perform so poorly. There is one conclusion -- their styles never gelled, will never gel, and will always look messy. The are the complete opposite. Once again, I have no doubt Joe would prefer the older Hopkins to fight. he would have had a much easier night, and yes, he would be able to deal with Bernard's output. Joe could fight at that pace all night. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

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Yeah Hopkins was easier to hit (barely) in his prime so I guess Calzaghe would've won. What kind of logic is that? The opposite side can say Hopkins threw a lot more and would probably KO Calzaghe since he dropped him at 43. Just bad logic all around.

Listen I don't care about where a fighters from or what colour they are as long as they are entertaining. Too many people on here try and dismantle fighters records when they have never done anything in there own life worth mentioning. I read coments from people like you everyday slagging off this fighter or that fighter, get a grip of your self and grow up. Now back to point I will try and explain quickly why I believe calzaghe would beat a prime hopkins and if you still don't agree fine but at leat give valid reason instead of putdowns. Prime hopkins liked to come forward and was easier to hit and prime calzaghe loved people to come onto him instead of having to chase them round the ring. Hopkins game plan worked for the first 3 or 4 rounds against calzaghe and you could see how uncomfortable calzaghe was at coming forward and leading off. A prime hopkins would hunt calzaghe which would lead to much better exchanges between the too, with hopkins easier too hit than he was in april. This is where I think calzaghe speed would shine. Now that's my opinion on what could of happened around 2001 :boxingbut we will never know as hopkins went back on an already agreed fight with calzaghe and that is on recored!!!:boxing: ......that's a thought

Beat a prime Hopkins.........wow. Of course you're not biased. Listen I don't care about where a fighters from or what colour they are as long as they are entertaining. Too many people on here try and dismantle fighters records when they have never done anything in there own life worth mentioning. I read coments from people like you everyday slagging off this fighter or that fighter, get a grip of your self and grow up. Now back to point I will try and explain quickly why I believe calzaghe would beat a prime hopkins and if you still don't agree fine but at leat give valid reason instead of putdowns. Prime hopkins liked to come forward and was easier to hit and prime calzaghe loved people to come onto him instead of having to chase them round the ring. Hopkins game plan worked for the first 3 or 4 rounds against calzaghe and you could see how uncomfortable calzaghe was at coming forward and leading off. A prime hopkins would hunt calzaghe which would lead to much better exchanges between the too, with hopkins easier too hit than he was in april. This is where I think calzaghe speed would shine. Now that's my opinion on what could of happened around 2001 :boxingbut we will never know as hopkins went back on an already agreed fight with calzaghe and that is on recored!!!:boxing: