Joe Calzaghe's retirement

Joe is a very good to great fighter. He is NOT an All time great. I'd say that was a very good assesment. To be ATG you need to fight for a long time in a strong division alongside numerous Good to great fighters, Calzaghe hasn't so he isn't. But what irritates me is people saying he's rubbish or a slapper (70%+ KO rate but can't punch yeah that works...) I don't claim he's the best there is but I do say he's the best SMW of his era.

Lacy was NOT a good fighter. Kessler looks like a good fighter.He hasn't fought anyone yet. We'll see. Joe is a very good to great fighter. He is NOT an All time great. well thats your opinion

LOL@you believing Dirk's lies. Dirk loves me that's why he follows me around like a hurt puppy dog. And yes calling Joe a Very good but not AGT fighter is slating him. Good call. Come on bsriz, we all know the only reason you frequent this forum is me. You're even stealing my lines. Imitation is the sincerest form of flatter so thanks.

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Another day another lie from Dirk. Maybe if you keep repeating it someone will believe you. Keep following me around, it's hilarious. You got exposed mate. Cant remember who it was but he saw you doing the rounds on some MMA forum posting about how Lacy was gonna kill Calzaghe. Be honest about it. We're all wrong sometimes. Unfortunately you abuse the privilege.

Lol he was one of the biggest Lacy hypers out there. Thats why he's so bitter. That wouldn't surprise me. Now he's just a loudmouth hypocrite with nothing better to do than slate Calzaghe. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Talk about missing the point. Jesus... Lol he was one of the biggest Lacy hypers out there. Thats why he's so bitter.

If Calzaghe doesn't have the hunger to continue to do what it takes to fight at the championship level then he should retire and for the same reason I wont complain or criticize Floyd Mayweather for retiring. Joe has done enough in his career and he's almost 37 with bad hands. Joe has also been fighting with a broken bone in his wrist since the Manfedo fight. Joe fought the top SMW when he was green, defeated the top young lions while past his prime and has a victory (soon to be 2 after he beats Jones) against the top contemporaries (Jones, Hopkins, Toney and himself) around his weight range of this era. The haters will always find an excuse to hate but that's not a reason to continue fighting since you will never please them and should he lose it will be he was "exposed and overrated" etc.

Umm so you basically missed my point entirely. Lacy has done NOTHING in his career. I don't care what people said. So was Amir Khan great because he had a lot of loud idiot fans? Or hatton? No. Kessler is good but to even put the words "ATG" in sentence with him is hilarious. He's not even really GREAT until he PROVES it against someone. Okay, Joe is ATG to blind nuthuggers, and garbage to haters. The reality is somewhere in between, he's very good, probably not great def. not ATG. Thanks for agreeing with me. Talk about missing the point. Jesus... 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Lacy was NOT a good fighter. Kessler looks like a good fighter.He hasn't fought anyone yet. We'll see. Joe is a very good to great fighter. He is NOT an All time great. All this is very debatable. Lacy, according to most "experts" and fans, was devastating. "The next Tyson" or "the mini Tyson" is what many people called him. Only 8 of 24 BoxingScene staff had Calzaghe winning. Calzaghe was sure to lose, according to the betting odds, and almost everyone else agreed that Lacy would ice Calzaghe inside a few rounds. It wasn't until after Joe humiliated Lacy that people changed their minds. It's also very clever coming back after the fight is over to say "Lacy was not a good fighter". Very easy to do. Would you have done it before the fight? No. It's no different to the hate people are piling on Pavlik now an elite fighter has humiliated him. Before the fight, in most people's opinion's (NOT MINE!) Pavlik was sure to finish of the aging Hopkins with a brutal KO. Now there are f**king hypocrites everywhere. Kessler IS a good fighter -- very good. He's maybe not ATG material but he doesn't deserve some of the hate he gets on here. Not only is his technique excellent, but he is a great guy. He deserves respect. Joe is as great as people want him to be. If he is great TO THEM, then so be it. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

If it is really necessary I can go and dig up posts where I have defended him. I have absolutely nothing against him or the Calzaghe fans who know the sport. It just seems like Joe, more than any other fighter, attracts these guys who have literally watched like a few fights and think they can come in here and argue with us. what about mayweather fans

Anyone else looking forward to this day? Not so much because I don't like Joe, just so sick of the continuous stream of teenage morons that come on here with the same bullshit over and over. well what about the hate suppose you like that.

So let me guess... you are upset that people are saying they were good now bad. Great. Who cares? Lacy never was that good. At all. Period. So pumping that up is pretty sad. Kessler is a good fighter. He seems to be. He still has fought no one yet. Again, this would be like Tito fighting David Reid (remember him) and ONLY having that and a few old people on his resume as his big wins and all his fans going ATG based on that. That's what pisses people off. If kessler falls apart or never fights anyone he will be a guy who LOOKED good against shit competition. David Reid = Kessler. Basically. I'm not upset no, I couldn't care less really. Lacy was a good fighter, it wasn't the defeat, it was the manner of the defeat. 1 minute prior to the fight most of the boxing world had Lacy winning easily probably by KO. The ATG tag is a personal thing, its not just because of the Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins wins its because of the 10 year + reign as a Super Middleweight Champion as well as good wins against some very good (perhaps not great fighters) however others fighters from other countries received adulation for fighting 'names' albeit past the prime or fighting way outside their weight category. I am not a Calzaghe nuthugger in fact I have been critical in the past but credit where it is due.

Yer I know it's not ideal, but it's not awful either. We can't have everything we want in boxing, there's match ups that don't come on left right and centre at all, and loads this year. They don't seem to draw the same amount of criticism as Joe does. Jones is still top 10 LHW and is looking different but better with what he has, and who can blame him for wanting a piece. It's his last fight before retirement, in NY, RJJ, big draw and main stream attention, and their both past prime fighters. If he was a few years younger with the big name he has now, no doubt he'd face Dawson but that's what happens. I also think once Dawson won, there wasn't really calls for Calzaghe to face him. It was only once Pavlik was beaten a few have mentioned it, and I reckon people will progressively use it to criticise Joe. A bit lame when you consider it was all on Kelly before, so it's clear for some people it just goes down the line, they'll always be someone really they'll next mention whom Joe didn't face. Exactly, of course if Joe fights every new big name every year at some point soon he will obviously lose because he is now approaching 37 and has to be on the slide. Dawson was hardly mentioned until Pavlik was beaten so....

Yer I know it's not ideal, but it's not awful either. We can't have everything we want in boxing, there's match ups that don't come on left right and centre at all, and loads this year. They don't seem to draw the same amount of criticism as Joe does. Jones is still top 10 LHW and is looking different but better with what he has, and who can blame him for wanting a piece. It's his last fight before retirement, in NY, RJJ, big draw and main stream attention, and their both past prime fighters. If he was a few years younger with the big name he has now, no doubt he'd face Dawson but that's what happens. I also think once Dawson won, there wasn't really calls for Calzaghe to face him. It was only once Pavlik was beaten a few have mentioned it, and I reckon people will progressively use it to criticise Joe. A bit lame when you consider it was all on Kelly before, so it's clear for some people it just goes down the line, they'll always be someone really they'll next mention whom Joe didn't face. Roy Jones might be ranked top 10 by some but that has a lot to do with how weak the division is (the bottom half of top 10). Not sure if he should even be ranked over some of the fighters below him such as Diaconu. RJJ is ranked in there because of his name alone, he has done nothing since he was KO'd by Tarver and Johnson. The Pavlik fight is out of the window now but I don't see why he should not fight Dawson except age/lack of motivation. It would be a good way to go out. People say there will always be another one but will there? I don't see anyone except Dawson for Calzaghe to fight.

I don't think anyone was calling for Calzaghe to Dawson since he looked bad against Johnson but he is now coming off an impressive performance against Tarver. Dawson and Calzaghe are the two top fighters at LHW, the fight should happen but I agree that it probably won't. I wouldn't criticize Calzaghe much for not fighting Dawson since he is getting up there in age but beating a past prime Jones for his last fight is a disappointing way to go out. Yer I know it's not ideal, but it's not awful either. We can't have everything we want in boxing, there's match ups that don't come on left right and centre at all, and loads this year. They don't seem to draw the same amount of criticism as Joe does. Jones is still top 10 LHW and is looking different but better with what he has, and who can blame him for wanting a piece. It's his last fight before retirement, in NY, RJJ, big draw and main stream attention, and their both past prime fighters. If he was a few years younger with the big name he has now, no doubt he'd face Dawson but that's what happens. I also think once Dawson won, there wasn't really calls for Calzaghe to face him. It was only once Pavlik was beaten a few have mentioned it, and I reckon people will progressively use it to criticise Joe. A bit lame when you consider it was all on Kelly before, so it's clear for some people it just goes down the line, they'll always be someone really they'll next mention whom Joe didn't face.

I don't even dislike him man. I am sick of saying that he would lose to hagler and then some dude with 8 posts and a name like UK_Jon who is obviously 16 quoting me and saying "LMAO you bitter Aussie retard joe would easily beat Hagger! Too fast! PWN! You Aussies have no good fighters LMAO!" That sort of comment is just how the yanks act about there fighters in this forum. It works both ways son.

Lacy was never shit. Grow up. Kessler has fought no one. Good win for Joe. But keep being a fanboy. Thats my ****in point. Lacy was a very good fighter but Joe dismantled him easily and he has never been the same since (injury as well) and just because Kessler hadn't fought a so called big name before JC didn't mean he wasn't or isn't a good fighter (anyone with an once of boxing knowledge can see he is). The point is, they became overrated after Calzaghe had beaten them. Hopkins was way too old apparently until he takes apart Pavlik a year later??? See the trend here? BTW My 'boy' days are long behind me, what about you?

Dawson doesn't run his mouth off too much, and he's too low reward for Calzaghe to fight on beyond what he intended. There's not really been calls to fight Chad only Kelly so they can't conveniently change, there's always another guy out there. I personally think if Joe beats Roy in good enough fashion he will retire most likely. I don't think anyone was calling for Calzaghe to Dawson since he looked bad against Johnson but he is now coming off an impressive performance against Tarver. Dawson and Calzaghe are the two top fighters at LHW, the fight should happen but I agree that it probably won't. I wouldn't criticize Calzaghe much for not fighting Dawson since he is getting up there in age but beating a past prime Jones for his last fight is a disappointing way to go out.

Dawson doesn't run his mouth off too much, and he's too low reward for Calzaghe to fight on beyond what he intended. There's not really been calls to fight Chad only Kelly so they can't conveniently change, there's always another guy out there. I personally think if Joe beats Roy in good enough fashion he will retire most likely.