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Oi chunky, it says on wikipedia that one of the guildford 4 married JFK's niece. That's pretty f-cked up. Yep, Paul Hill. **** knows how he managed get into a situation of marrying a Kennedy but there you go.

Oi chunky, it says on wikipedia that one of the guildford 4 married JFK's niece. That's pretty f-cked up.

The system is dogshit man, though we all know this. But it hasn't changed significantly in the last 50 years. The system failed Cole, and it damn sure failed all of his victims. I'm not saying the dude was an honest citizen, he was a lowlife bum. But he may not have killed all of those people if he would've gotten the help he was asking for. Crazy story that mate.. Never heard of him before

Sounds like Brit stuff to me. What happened? A bunch of overrated Euro bums all fly over to America together to get exposed by real men? ;) Honestly, fill me in. What is it? 11 people in all basically get made scapegoats by the British government for bombing two pubs in Guildford and one in Woolwich(London). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four I know it's Wiki but it's fairly accurate.

That's a really sad story actually. I know this ain't serial killing as such but has anyone ever looked into the Guildford Four fiasco? That shit makes my blood boil. Sounds like Brit stuff to me. What happened? A bunch of overrated Euro bums all fly over to America together to get exposed by real men? ;) Honestly, fill me in. What is it?

And i get locked up on a regs just for having a bit of puff in my pocket.. The system is dogshit man, though we all know this. But it hasn't changed significantly in the last 50 years. The system failed Cole, and it damn sure failed all of his victims. I'm not saying the dude was an honest citizen, he was a lowlife bum. But he may not have killed all of those people if he would've gotten the help he was asking for.

That's a really sad story actually. I know this ain't serial killing as such but has anyone ever looked into the Guildford Four fiasco? That shit makes my blood boil.

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of him, most people haven't. Here's the gist of it. His mother gave him a girls name because she wanted a daughter instead. She dressed him like a girl in dresses and made him act as a servant while she "entertained" (had sex with) male visitors infront of him. Everybody at school teased him about his name, and his mother beat and abused him on a daily basis. One day while swimming with some kids at a local lake, he drowned one of them for continuing to make fun of his name. He was 9 at the time of his first murder. He was ranked as a genius during high school, with an IQ of 152. He worked many shit jobs and did occasional burglaries, liquor stores and whatnot and basically became a drifter and petty thief. He ended up moving back in with his mother and began to suffer from nightmares in which he was killing and raping women who looked like his mother. He turned to alcohol to try to kick the dreams, but over time it got worse. As his criminal record for burglary and theft grew with it. One night he approached a police officer on the street, and confessed to the Officer the eerie details of his dreams, and the cop laughed him off. He went to the police station several days later and told the clerk there the exact same story, and again, they laughed him off. They gave him a bus ticket to San Diego, and set up a mental health evaluation there for him just to be sure. Mental health professionals diagnosed this man as having a clean bill of mental health and deemed him not a threat to himself or others and released him. He wanted a second opinion, and they referred him selsewhere. Where he committed himself for 90 days of examination, and was eventually given another clean bill of health. Then he married a junkie prostitute, he became convinced she was cheating on him and he burned down the apartment complex where they lived. He did a few years for that but was released. Then he began attacking random strangers in parked cars with a hammer, he got 30 days for assault with a deadly weapon, and was once again released. Then he attempted suicide, and lived. He got 4 days in the Psych ward for that. Then he attempted to strangle two women one night at a bar in Reno, and they managed to escape. Surrendered to Reno police and confessed his urges to murder women; was detained and charged with "disorderly conduct". Basically this shit goes on for YEARS. And i get locked up on a regs just for having a bit of puff in my pocket..

I mean Christ, here you had a guy who was trying to do the right thing and get some sort of help before it spiraled out of control completely, and people laughed at him, or let him off the hook on multiple occasions.

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Cole,%20Carroll%20-%202005.pdf There's a pretty good complete write up in order of everything that happened.

Now that Is someone I have never heard of. Details if you please... I'm not surprised you haven't heard of him, most people haven't. Here's the gist of it. His mother gave him a girls name because she wanted a daughter instead. She dressed him like a girl in dresses and made him act as a servant while she "entertained" (had sex with) male visitors infront of him. Everybody at school teased him about his name, and his mother beat and abused him on a daily basis. One day while swimming with some kids at a local lake, he drowned one of them for continuing to make fun of his name. He was 9 at the time of his first murder. He was ranked as a genius during high school, with an IQ of 152. He worked many shit jobs and did occasional burglaries, liquor stores and whatnot and basically became a drifter and petty thief. He ended up moving back in with his mother and began to suffer from nightmares in which he was killing and raping women who looked like his mother. He turned to alcohol to try to kick the dreams, but over time it got worse. As his criminal record for burglary and theft grew with it. One night he approached a police officer on the street, and confessed to the Officer the eerie details of his dreams, and the cop laughed him off. He went to the police station several days later and told the clerk there the exact same story, and again, they laughed him off. They gave him a bus ticket to San Diego, and set up a mental health evaluation there for him just to be sure. Mental health professionals diagnosed this man as having a clean bill of mental health and deemed him not a threat to himself or others and released him. He wanted a second opinion, and they referred him selsewhere. Where he committed himself for 90 days of examination, and was eventually given another clean bill of health. Then he married a junkie prostitute, he became convinced she was cheating on him and he burned down the apartment complex where they lived. He did a few years for that but was released. Then he began attacking random strangers in parked cars with a hammer, he got 30 days for assault with a deadly weapon, and was once again released. Then he attempted suicide, and lived. He got 4 days in the Psych ward for that. Then he attempted to strangle two women one night at a bar in Reno, and they managed to escape. Surrendered to Reno police and confessed his urges to murder women; was detained and charged with "disorderly conduct". Basically this shit goes on for YEARS.

I guess the point is that we are all killers. It's a natural animal instinct to kill for survival and food. We are just brought up to think that we are separate from animals but essentially we are just more intelligent than them. If you have a violent childhood, it must be fecking difficult to suppress those murderous instincts. When you take a look at modern culture, women are easy pickings nowadays. I'm actually surprised we don't see more of it in the UK.

Laddie no serial killer file is sadder than Carroll Edward Cole's. The fact that he was pissed everytime he killed someone?

The wikipedia page on Cole is shit, it leaves out key details noted in the Serial Killer Files and the Encyclopedia of Serial Killers. Looking at his wiki page you'd think he was just a nutball killer.

Laddie no serial killer file is sadder than Carroll Edward Cole's.

No one does, because the image of some sort of Axe Murdering degenerate is still buried in peoples' minds. People need to study. That i will.

I can't really picture what a serial killer would look like.

That's the part that stumps me. Why? and then out of the blue, he sends the old bill a letter saying he's going to make his next killing? I find it hard to believe that it was all Rader's own work? whos the chick in your avatar?!? smokin!

I believe serial killers can have moments of clarity, but 10 years is a long ****in' time to suppress impulses. I believe Albert De Salvo ( The Boston Strangler ) was completely innocent. Radar, Just gave into impulses IMO. He was either scared shitless by his church going antics and tried to make do for his antics. A sort of self-gratifying guilt that he could he could use to live with himself. He didn't look like a serial killer if that makes any sense at all?

He actually stopped for around a decade I think, which for a killer like Rader is extremely rare. During this period he used to go to his Kid's tree house and act out the torture and murder of people in his head. That's the part that stumps me. Why? and then out of the blue, he sends the old bill a letter saying he's going to make his next killing? I find it hard to believe that it was all Rader's own work?