Name another over 40 fighter who could do what Hopkins did last Saturday

Archie Moore vs Yvon Durelle II Archie Moore vs Yolande Pompey

yea, but it is widely believed that walcott lied about his age. his birth certificate was never found for verication and it was suspected that he was as much as 5-10 years older than he claimed to be.... I didn't know this, thank you. Not to be argumentitive, but I still wouldn't rank Walcott ahead of either Hop or Moore.

yea, but it is widely believed that walcott lied about his age. his birth certificate was never found for verication and it was suspected that he was as much as 5-10 years older than he claimed to be.... plus back then, fighters fought more often and therefore, had shorter careers. then again, i am not arguing b-hops greatness. of the over 40 club, i'd say it was b-hop or archie....

Wallcott was a great fighter at an age during his era when most fighters were shot. But he was only 33 and 38 respectively, for Louis and then Marciano. Thats still at best a half a decade younger than Hopkins against Pavlik. If you don't already know about him, do some research on Archie Moore. He may be the greatest "old" fighter ever if you can rate anyone ahead of Hopkins. yea, but it is widely believed that walcott lied about his age. his birth certificate was never found for verication and it was suspected that he was as much as 5-10 years older than he claimed to be....

there is no one. Ive never really liked Hopkins, but he is by far the best over 40 fighter of all time. the only people that could compare are Archie Moore and Roberto Duran. Moore for his KO wins over Durelle and win over Rinaldi, and Duran for his win over top 5 ranked Jorge Fernando Castro when he was 46 or something.

Jersey Joe Wolcott comez close but other then that Nope. Foreman was gettin the shit beat out of him untill he dropped that bomb. TheMachine showed me video of Joe Wolcott beatin the crap out of Joe/Marciano before he got caught. What would have been of Walcott if he didn't get caught Wallcott was a great fighter at an age during his era when most fighters were shot. But he was only 33 and 38 respectively, for Louis and then Marciano. Thats still at best a half a decade younger than Hopkins against Pavlik. If you don't already know about him, do some research on Archie Moore. He may be the greatest "old" fighter ever if you can rate anyone ahead of Hopkins.

You could say the same about loads of fighters who pulled out a win with a big punch in a fight they were losing. Louis against Conn, Leonard against Hearns, Marciano against Walcott, McCallum against Curry. But they all get credit for digging deep and getting the win. That's the beauty of boxing. Land the Suzy Q and everything that went before is irrelevant. You're reading me wrong here man, I'm not taking anything away from Foreman or people who pulled off similar one punch KO upsets. I'm just saying that it is my own personal opinion, that pitching a damn near shutout (winning 11 rounds of a scheduled 12 round fight) at 43 is a lot more impressive to me, than doing what Foreman did.

Name another over 40 fighter who could do what Hopkins did to Pavlik last Saturday, or an opponet like Pavlik. An undefeated KO artist, reigning Middleweight Champion, 17 years his Junior. One of the key matches that comes to mind is Foreman/Moorer, but honestly, there's no comparison in terms of skill. George Foreman was losing every round of that fight against Moorer, had it not been for the 1 punch that knocked Moorer out, he would've lost a shutout on the cards. On the other hand you've got a 43 year old Hopkins, facing Pavlik. Now I'll admit that Pavlik is a flawed fighter, and certainly not in the same league as Hopkins as far as technical talent goes. But he does have a 17 year age advantage, a significant power advantage, a stamina advantage, and a small height advantage. And Hopkins pitched a near pefect shutout. (I gave Kelly 1 round.) Tell me anybody else who could do that, past, or present. Who else at over 40 years old could keep Kelly Pavlik limited to winning 1 round? absolutley nobody else....

I don't find it at all coincidental that Hopkins idolizes Walcott. And I'm glad you agree about my Foreman point. Too many people get caught up in the fact that he won, and I'm not taking anything away from George on that front, he handled his business and got the KO. But he was looking like near liquid dogshit in the ring that night before he landed that haymaker. You could say the same about loads of fighters who pulled out a win with a big punch in a fight they were losing. Louis against Conn, Leonard against Hearns, Marciano against Walcott, McCallum against Curry. But they all get credit for digging deep and getting the win. That's the beauty of boxing. Land the Suzy Q and everything that went before is irrelevant.

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nobody. b-hop is a special fighter, kind of like George Foreman.

Pedro deserved what he got coming to him. Like I said...It takez time for people to deal with having lost a loved one BUT that dude was bitchin about crap that happend in 2001. If you for example you were put under that kind of pressure/ disrespect and had Tito throwing an evil smile while waving that falg in your face....you wouldn't get mad?! Wouldn't you feel as if Tito was basically tryin to say "We're better then you". I love Tito nothing against him...but I think I might have done the same. It all dependz on how you take thingz Precisely, Tito's fans like to shit on what Bernard did but they'd have done the exact same thing in that situation. I would like to see how Tito would've reacted, if they wee doing an appearance in Germantown, and all of Hopkins fans were out in droves, booing him, with Hopkins in his face waving an American flag. The bottom line is these kids can't relate (Not you Vick, you and I are cool) because they've most likely never been in that type of heated situation. I had a goddamn police officer in my face once and I was seeing red, I knew he was a cop and that starting shit would land my ass in jail for a night, but I did it anyway. Why? Because when you're confronted like that and you get hot shit happens.

Jersey Joe Wolcott comez close but other then that Nope. Foreman was gettin the shit beat out of him untill he dropped that bomb. TheMachine showed me video of Joe Wolcott beatin the crap out of Joe/Marciano before he got caught. What would have been of Walcott if he didn't get caught I don't find it at all coincidental that Hopkins idolizes Walcott. And I'm glad you agree about my Foreman point. Too many people get caught up in the fact that he won, and I'm not taking anything away from George on that front, he handled his business and got the KO. But he was looking like near liquid dogshit in the ring that night before he landed that haymaker.

I always root against Hopkins whenever he fights. I don't like him. That's like saying.. oo I'm not racist, I have a black friend. So what if he trusted Freddie? He has said racist shit about Latinos and Whites alike. He called some dude Pedro on a radio station cus he was Latino and told Calzaghe he would never lose to a white boy, he also threw someone flag on the floor. Subtle racism is still racism. He just another one of those black nationalist Muslim dudes.. I really don't think Hopkins calling that guy "Pedro" constitutes as racism, considering it was that guy who started in on Hopkins for the flag incident. As for the flag incident itself, what would you have done? Hopkins was in hostile territory, where everybody hated him, he was getting 0 respect for his accomplishments, the crowd was all over him, and ontop of it all Tito was in his face disrespecting him and waving that flag in his face. I would've done the same damn thing. Maybe that makes me racist, maybe it doesn't, I don't know. All I know for sure is when you're in a seriously heated confrontation with someone up in your face like that, you sometimes act without thinking, I know I've done it a few times myself. And I still lol at the "I'll never lose to a white boy" comment, people are so sensitive about that shit. Maybe it's just me. In Kensington, where I grew up, racism was a cause for laughter.

Good to see some respect coming Bernard's way. Honestly speaking, I give a lot of credit to Naazim Richardson for Bernard's performance. When Freddie Roach was in charge Hopkins just didn't have it, and it was frustrating because I knew he still had it. Naazim helps Hopkins find that edge. At the end of the day it was Hopkins himself in that ring doing what he did, but I think having Naazim back in the corner helped him out mentally quite a bit. Freddie Roach is a shit trainer. Other than Pacquiao and Vazquez he hasn't done much. He's a bandwagon'er like Steward. Bernard is in his comfort zone when Richardson is training him, in a way that he could never be with any other trainer at this point in his career.

However in terms of level of skill and craftsmanship George is way behind Bernard. I know there are many who will call bullshit on that, but these are the same people who picked Pavlik, Tarver, and Trinidad all to destroy him. If there's one thing Hopkins loves more than money and boxing, it's proving the critics wrong. That's a fair point. I thought Pavlik would beat him, but I'm happy to admit that Hopkins' performance technically was astounding, arguably his best ever. There's a thread on one of the other sub-sections about great performances by over-40s, and this will go down as one of them.

He's not a racist. (He trusted Freddie Roach to be his head trainer in 2 of his biggest fights, Wright, and Tarver.) He is an asshole, but in the kind of way that one day you'll miss having in this sport. And he didn't do anything remotely dirty against Pavlik, I didn't even see a headbutt, and that's saying something. Admit it Vick, you're ass sore. I saw you predicting a Pavlik KO on here. My only wish is that I was there in person to see the look on your face, after about the 5th round when you realized Kelly was completely outmatched. ;) I always root against Hopkins whenever he fights. I don't like him. That's like saying.. oo I'm not racist, I have a black friend. So what if he trusted Freddie? He has said racist shit about Latinos and Whites alike. He called some dude Pedro on a radio station cus he was Latino and told Calzaghe he would never lose to a white boy, he also threw someone flag on the floor. Subtle racism is still racism. He just another one of those black nationalist Muslim dudes..

If it hadn't been for one punch that KO'd Walcott when he was behind on the cards, perhaps Rocky Marciano would now be just another forgotten contender? Fact is George landed the punch and achieved something which will probably never be replicated. As impressive as Hopkins was on Saturday, I rate George's feat a lot higher. Check out Archie Moore's fights with Yvon Durelle at age 44 or thereabouts. He was still successfully defending his light-heavy title well into his 40s, and periodically beating heavyweight contenders too. Hopkins still has to prove that the Pavlik performance wasn't a one-off. In terms of overall impact and lasting meaning, I would agree with the bolded. However in terms of level of skill and craftsmanship George is way behind Bernard. I don't think anyone could argue the latter. There's no doubt Foreman's performance meant more though. And I agree with Archie Moore's Durelle fights. As for the last bolded part, I think Hopkins has every intention of proving that point. He said in the post fight intreview he was "sorry" for his recent lackluster performances, and promised to continue to fight the way he did that night against his next opponets. I know there are many who will call bullshit on that, but these are the same people who picked Pavlik, Tarver, and Trinidad all to destroy him. If there's one thing Hopkins loves more than money and boxing, it's proving the critics wrong. And I believe him.

Name another over 40 fighter who could do what Hopkins did to Pavlik last Saturday, or an opponet like Pavlik. An undefeated KO artist, reigning Middleweight Champion, 17 years his Junior. One of the key matches that comes to mind is Foreman/Moorer, but honestly, there's no comparison in terms of skill. George Foreman was losing every round of that fight against Moorer, had it not been for the 1 punch that knocked Moorer out, he would've lost a shutout on the cards. On the other hand you've got a 43 year old Hopkins, facing Pavlik. Now I'll admit that Pavlik is a flawed fighter, and certainly not in the same league as Hopkins as far as technical talent goes. But he does have a 17 year age advantage, a significant power advantage, a stamina advantage, and a small height advantage. And Hopkins pitched a near pefect shutout. (I gave Kelly 1 round.) Tell me anybody else who could do that, past, or present. Who else at over 40 years old could keep Kelly Pavlik limited to winning 1 round? If it hadn't been for one punch that KO'd Walcott when he was behind on the cards, perhaps Rocky Marciano would now be just another forgotten contender? Fact is George landed the punch and achieved something which will probably never be replicated. As impressive as Hopkins was on Saturday, I rate George's feat a lot higher. Check out Archie Moore's fights with Yvon Durelle at age 44 or thereabouts. He was still successfully defending his light-heavy title well into his 40s, and periodically beating heavyweight contenders too. Hopkins still has to prove that the Pavlik performance wasn't a one-off.