If you think their wasnt anything wrong with Pavlik on saturday your crazy!!!

The question that should be asked then why is something always wrong with fighters in the ring when its against Hopkins? Tarver said the same thing and countless others. I made a thread a long time ago about what happened to fighters after Hopkins. A better statement is to say that Hopkins makes certain fighters look the way the do. No different than Jones/Toney Hopkins/Johnson Jones/Hopkins. When a good fighter faces a great one most of the time they can look amateurish. Where is Winky? I gotta agree with this guy, it's happened so many times. Everyone has seemed "not right" when they have fought B-Hop, well isn't the logical answer that it's because of what Hopkins is doing in there? Even when Joe C beat him he was very unhappy with the performance, B-Hop just takes things away and out of fighters. The guy is awesome.

his water was poisoned... thats what it was lol..

I believe Pavlik has fought at 170 before. Fought a good few times above 160. In 2005 fought Vincent at 170 with a TKO2. Seemed to find it just fine, no complaints, weird.

There may be some merit to this, but maybe it was just his first preformance at 170. He looked sluggish and had no pop in his punches. I believe Pavlik has fought at 170 before. you're right! something was ABSOLUTELY wrong with kelly. It was called Bernard Hopkins son! I already said that earlier bro :D

Enzo was sick as a dog before his fight with David Haye but the record books will show Haye knocked him out in round two. The record books will show that Hopkins beat Pavlik very convincingly and thats all that counts ! no excuses

Definitely. Kid manages to bend his knees with ****ing knee pads on, imagine how far there'd go with them bad boys off. Kids a future Hall of Famer, god only knows what he's doing with Pavlik's soul. LMAOOO It's true about the knee pads, that is incredible.

He seems to be slicker, more black than Pavlik. He even bends his knees more. Definitely. Kid manages to bend his knees with ****ing knee pads on, imagine how far there'd go with them bad boys off. Kids a future Hall of Famer, god only knows what he's doing with Pavlik's soul.

Some of the best boxers in history couldn't spell. Spelling has little corrolation to other forms of knowledge. Pavlik looked slow, had a belly, had underformed muscle and didn't bother to throw punches. His punches had no crack and could not connect. He needs to learn to bob and weave, get good at moving or jumping constantly side to side, develop more muscle and speed, and learn to use those long arms with long range overhand hooks from a crouched position. He should study Louis, Tyson and Dempsey. He is already good at fighting stand up fighters, he needs to learn to fight bob and weavers and learn to bob and weave himself. He also needs the muscle development of Hopkins or Roy Jones, but in middleweight form. All of those things I don't think he well ever develop, so back to middleweight and a few more wins and some losses in his future before he gives up and retires. Even Hopkins told him after he fight he could take a hard hit, and give a solid heavy handed punch, but he needs to learn to move and deliver constant hard blows to a moving opponent.

He wasn't himself in there. Some kid stole his soul with the Ghostbuster spirit catcher proton gun about 10 minutes before the fight; http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Ready4UGoods/ghostbuster.jpg He seems to be slicker, more black than Pavlik. He even bends his knees more.

Simple as that, Ive said it before ill say it again something was wrong with him in the ring. Ive heard he had broncidus for 2 weeks. I also heard that in the locker room warming up Kelly knew something was wrong with his punches. He wont make excuses but i will. Where is your source since you heard of this? Stop making excuses!

Simple as that, Ive said it before ill say it again something was wrong with him in the ring. Ive heard he had broncidus for 2 weeks. I also heard that in the locker room warming up Kelly knew something was wrong with his punches. He wont make excuses but i will. you're right! something was ABSOLUTELY wrong with kelly. It was called Bernard Hopkins son!

Pavlik was fine but 174 was to big for him at fight night IMO.. and it bit him just like Hopkins hit him, its boxing and shit happens, we can all speculate on what it was Pavlik didnt look close to how he looked against Taylor, but no fighter looks the best at there worst especially when they lose!

He got his ass kicked.

There may be some merit to this, but maybe it was just his first preformance at 170. He looked sluggish and had no pop in his punches.

He wasn't himself in there. Some kid stole his soul with the Ghostbuster spirit catcher proton gun about 10 minutes before the fight; http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Ready4UGoods/ghostbuster.jpg lmao :haha:

He wasn't himself in there. Some kid stole his soul with the Ghostbuster spirit catcher proton gun about 10 minutes before the fight; http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Ready4UGoods/ghostbuster.jpg

Yea I heard he broke both hands also a week before the fight. Bernard had absolutely noting to do with him looking bad.:pat:

nothing was wrong with him. he just got his ass beat and coulnt get off a punch because he was clueless on how to fight hopkins.

Not going to make excuses for him. It just wasn't his night, he couldn't perform and Hopkins fought brilliantly.

Simple as that, Ive said it before ill say it again something was wrong with him in the ring. Ive heard he had broncidus for 2 weeks. I also heard that in the locker room warming up Kelly knew something was wrong with his punches. He wont make excuses but i will. I heard he/she had pms