At 160..Hopkins loses to Pav...at 175 Hops beat JT CONVINCINGLY..

"It's tough for me to make 160. I'm taller than he is. I have broader shoulders and I'm longer. It tears your body down to get to 160" - Kelly Pavlik "I think 166 favors us because we have the naturally bigger guy and Kelly struggles to make 160," said Top Rank's Bob Arum “Pavlik had to kill himself to make 160,” he said recently. “This allows him to be even stronger this time around.” - Emmanual Stewart (not in his camp, but still, it's common knowledge) I stand corrected on that. Doesnt mean that Bhop beats him at 160. Bhop looked horrible his last two fights there.

Youre in denial. denial about what??

They've been saying for the last couple years pavlik is having trouble making 160 and they wanted him to move up in weight anyways. Obviously now they will continue to try and make 160 but there is a time coming very soon when he's not going to be able to make 160 anymore. Pavlik is a big middleweight, he's more natural at 168-174. And according to Jack Loew prior to the fight, hopkins is "just a blown up middleweight" and "the added weight is very comfortable for kelly." nobody from Pav's camp has ever said....

You're grasping at straws to come up with hypothetical scenarios in which you think Pavlik would beat Hopkins. The clear intent of these scenarios is to EXCUSE the reasons for which Pavlik lost, which include him being a slower, simpler fighter with less experience and a terrible strategy. Guess what? He doesn't beat Hopkins. Period. If he had any shot at beating Hopkins, he would've put out a better performance against him, regardless of the catch weight. He didn't though. Because he can't, not at this stage of his career with his current style. And dragging JT into your hypothetical scenarios, pretending he would get dominated by Hopkins, is pathetic and reeks of desparation to make Pavlik look better. Jermain is a more versatile, faster fighter who matches up better with Hopkins. He doesn't get dominated at any weight. He never has. Im a much bigger Hopkins fan then I am a Pavlik or jt fan.. so there is no pathetic desparation to make Pavlik look better. pavlik KTFO JT and Jt beat Hops I dont need to come up with hypothetical scenarios for that. I just feel that the HOPS that barely through any shots and gave up most of the round against JT AT 160..would to lose to Pav at 160 in the same fashion. I feel Hops should have moved up to LH before he fought JT. BEING a tall MW and not moving up til your almost 40 or are 40 is a long time to keep weight off. Name another middle who started above LHW and stayed at middle weight that long...James Tony didnt, Roy didnt.. etc... :stickp4:

I disagree. Hopkins simply didn't fight the right fight for both Taylor fights although i thought he deserved the second fight. Taylor's speed and athleticism is what troubled bernard and Pavlik has neither. why didnt he fight the right fight in the second fight with JT(which he lost as well)? He had one whole fight to learn his opponent....

Yeah Pav had the age advantage ..heck yeah.. I just think that the Hops who fought JT ( who should have moved to 175 sooner and also hadnt worked with Mackie) would lose to Pav..or atleast it would have been closer. I think that the guy that fought Pav last night would not lose a close fight to Jt but would in fact dominate him at 175 I agree. Thats why I didnt make any excuses. You're grasping at straws to come up with hypothetical scenarios in which you think Pavlik would beat Hopkins. The clear intent of these scenarios is to EXCUSE the reasons for which Pavlik lost, which include him being a slower, simpler fighter with less experience and a terrible strategy. Guess what? He doesn't beat Hopkins. Period. If he had any shot at beating Hopkins, he would've put out a better performance against him, regardless of the catch weight. He didn't though. Because he can't, not at this stage of his career with his current style. And dragging JT into your hypothetical scenarios, pretending he would get dominated by Hopkins, is pathetic and reeks of desparation to make Pavlik look better. Jermain is a more versatile, faster fighter who matches up better with Hopkins. He doesn't get dominated at any weight. He never has.

The Hopkins at 160 was long over due to be a light heavy. He moved up and used Mackie for a REASON... The Hopkins who lost to JT loses to Pav IMO... I disagree. Hopkins simply didn't fight the right fight for both Taylor fights although i thought he deserved the second fight. Taylor's speed and athleticism is what troubled bernard and Pavlik has neither.

I don't see the weight as that big of a factor in the fight, It was more Hopkins style that affected Pavlik. He just couldn't do what he wanted because Hopkins wouldn't let him. Hopkins would beat him at any weight imo. The Hopkins at 160 was long over due to be a light heavy. He moved up and used Mackie for a REASON... The Hopkins who lost to JT loses to Pav IMO...

I don't see the weight as that big of a factor in the fight, It was more Hopkins style that affected Pavlik. He just couldn't do what he wanted because Hopkins wouldn't let him. Hopkins would beat him at any weight imo.

I'm sick of this weight bullshit. Pavlik got schooled. That was so one-sided that it should be impossible to make excuses of any kind. I agree. Thats why I didnt make any excuses.

I'm sick of this weight bullshit. Pavlik got schooled. That was so one-sided that it should be impossible to make excuses of any kind.

you might be right. is see what your saying now.. thank you.. its just an opinion , just a thought..

If this was the Hopkins that showed up against Taylor at 160 (I mean with the mentality and not the weight), he beats Taylor handily, probably even by KO. Like Bernard admitted to Merchant, it was like he was "driving with the seat belt on" and that we'll see him step it up in his next fight/s, hopefully against Roy, although I wouldn't mind seeing him stepping it up against Joe either.

Yeah Pav had the age advantage ..heck yeah.. I just think that the Hops who fought JT ( who should have moved to 175 sooner and also hadnt worked with Mackie) would lose to Pav..or atleast it would have been closer. I think that the guy that fought Pav last night would not lose a close fight to Jt but would in fact dominate him at 175 you might be right. is see what your saying now..

everyone agrees with me you're just delusional moron hater Hopkins is one of my fav fighters.. like top 3.. you just cant look at anything objectively.. yeah Pav is a bum and Hops beat Jt and Jt beat Pav...get outta here......

actually i think i see what your saying now. my bad. yeah i think hopkins at his age is probably better suited at 170. but its weird because he had looked like he was losing a step the last two fights. even against winky i thought he looked like father time was catching up with him. wouldn't you agree though the even if the weight was in hopkins favor that its almost negated because of the enormous age differential? Pavlik had that advantage, so i guess you can say they both had advantages going into the fight...thats one way to look at it. Yeah Pav had the age advantage ..heck yeah.. I just think that the Hops who fought JT ( who should have moved to 175 sooner and also hadnt worked with Mackie) would lose to Pav..or atleast it would have been closer. I think that the guy that fought Pav last night would not lose a close fight to Jt but would in fact dominate him at 175

Hopkins would beat Pavlik at anywieght IMO

Pavlik would lose to Hopkins at any weight he's too slow and predictable.

I didnt say Kel had a problem,, I said Hops had the advantage..thats all. Hops at 160 couldnt even beat JT..... there is no EXCUSES..Kel got beat ..CLEARLY..Im just saying had Hop stayed at 160 Kel would have beat him. Hops rejuvinated himself at 175..he was probably due to move up long before... he is more suitable at 175 now actually i think i see what your saying now. my bad. yeah i think hopkins at his age is probably better suited at 170. but its weird because he had looked like he was losing a step the last two fights. even against winky i thought he looked like father time was catching up with him. wouldn't you agree though the even if the weight was in hopkins favor that its almost negated because of the enormous age differential? Pavlik had that advantage, so i guess you can say they both had advantages going into the fight...thats one way to look at it.

na you're the moron for thinking JT beat hopkins homie when EVERYONE agrees hopkins beat him NOBODY AGREES with you ..you are just plain ole dumb.