Style's make fights........

Points 5. Calzaghe would throughly outbox him, Hopkins was faster, unorthadox and had a higher workrate those were the key things that Hopkins had to win and he pushed Kelly back several times so Kelly does fight backward. Calzaghe is faster than Kelly, has a much higher workrate than Kelly, is unorthadox he'd be in Kelly's chest constantly pushing Kelly back and widely outscoring him. Totally agree.

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and cut the bull$hit calzaghe is not as good a boxer as people give him credit for, he is grossly overrated the ONLY thing he had going for him against bernard is workrate, thats it. he could barely land a clean punch on bernard let alone outbox him.

its just an opinion I just think that kelly will beat calzaghe if they fought, it will depend on how pavlik comes back because if hes like lacy and starts fighting like $hit then i would easily say calzaghe, but i just think that pavlik will still beat calzaghe

Pavlik would look like Lacy against Joe. BrooklynKid, you said Joe can't fight going backwards. I ask you, how many Joe Calzaghe fights have you studied? And I believe you said you were boxing yourself, so I emphasize the word "studied". Joe likes his opponents to come to him. Watch the Lacy fight again, please. I figure is would look more like the Kessler fight. It's been proven that Lacy was never that good. I think Zaghe beat Kessler 117-111 anyway... I dont think he's capable of doing what Hopkins did because he's not as defensive, or as strong. It doesnt matter anyway. This fight will never happen now.

now who's stronger kelly or joe? Calzaghe is far stronger than kelly Pavlik. Joe Calzaghe walks around at almost 200 pounds between fights. Joe is a BIG super middleweight. Pavlik is 6' 2'' http://www.boxingpress.de/fotos/Pavlik_Taylor1.jpg Calzaghe 5' 11'' http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/04-15/hopkins_calzaghe_boxing_400.jpg Calzaghe is smaller and has more muscle=stronger, but boxing ain't about being strong. Cal has his own trick bag, is faster, southpaw, better faster footwork. More experienced, better stamina, better defense, better suited to the weight etc. There aren't many categories in which Pavlik is better.

You jacka$$es on this forum dont seem to understand this concept when I started to box in the amateurs about a year ago I was taught this concept before even learning my jab, with different fighters you have to fight different ways. yesterday night was a great example. statements that need to be made. 1. Kelly pavlik is not trash But he needs to add more VARIETY to his offense 2. B-hops win doesnt do shit for calzaghe's resume,because kelly and joe fight differently With respect that Slapzaghe swamps you with ACTIVITY, albeit .. factoring in favor of judges and punchstat numbers Pavlik basically Jab overhand right/ straight right hand 3. kelly was suited for bernards style ....and kinda reminds me of tito trinidad Disagree Trinidad is a much more refined complete boxer. The only atrribute that is similiar is the fact that they both press the action 4. if calzaghe fought bernard again the fight will look the same but the outcomemight be different The outcome will be different because Hopkins only mistake was he didn't mount enough offense to compliment his good defensive tactics against Joe 5. if calzaghe and pavlik fought I would choose pavlik because joe doesnt know how to fight backing up and pavlik doesnt fight going backwards. Calzaghe has lateral movement, Pavlik has shown that is of foreign nature 6.B-HOP ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good points but........read the above:boxing:

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Agree'd that styles make fights. Plenty of people here don't realize it. But it seems Pavlik really dominates almost anyone who is smaller or has less of a defense, and when I say dominates, I mean it. Slick, technical, defensive fighters are obviously his weakness.

5. if calzaghe and pavlik fought I would choose pavlik because joe doesnt know how to fight backing up and pavlik doesnt fight going backwards. How's Pavlik going to back Joe up when Joe's the one who had Hopkins on the ropes at times in there fight(something Pavlik couldn't even do). When joe also had kessler and lacy on the ropes. Oh please, your logic is flawed. Calzaghe would give pavlik a spanking for 12 round if not tko Pavlik, Pavlik is a crappier version of Kessler.

kelly isn't trash...he just cant fight well in the 170's which is why he wouldn't stand a chance anginst calz..

when you say im wrong about point 2 .... you obviously dont know about boxing. have you ever boxed a day in your life to even talk to me like that ???? while i may be 17 I have boxed before and you havent....its sorta like larry merchant trying to talk boxing with roy jones. You've "boxed" have you? At what level have you boxed, at club level? at district/country level? Since when do you need to box to look at Calzaghe's resume and say that Hopkins winning boosts his win over Hopkins?

when you say im wrong about point 2 .... you obviously dont know about boxing. have you ever boxed a day in your life to even talk to me like that ???? while i may be 17 I have boxed before and you havent....its sorta like larry merchant trying to talk boxing with roy jones. Yes, I boxed as an amateur for 3 years. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Point 5 is f**king ridiculous. Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously saying garbage like that? Also you're wrong about point 2. Whether you like it or not, people will see Calzaghe's resume in a better light now that Hopkins destroyed America's greatest white boxing hope, but Hopkins was beaten by Calzaghe. And point 1: Pavlik is trash against elite competition who he can't bully. That would include Calzaghe. Point 6 proves you're a biased fanboy. You're 17 though, I see you have a lot of learning to do. when you say im wrong about point 2 .... you obviously dont know about boxing. have you ever boxed a day in your life to even talk to me like that ???? while i may be 17 I have boxed before and you havent....its sorta like larry merchant trying to talk boxing with roy jones.

The ONLY advantage Kelly has is his Power and as it had been shown it doesn't work as effectively above 160. Calzaghe would do the same thing Hopkins did but at an even higher pace but proberbly not hurt him as much at this stage in Joe's career. Pavlik would look like Lacy against Joe. BrooklynKid, you said Joe can't fight going backwards. I ask you, how many Joe Calzaghe fights have you studied? And I believe you said you were boxing yourself, so I emphasize the word "studied". Joe likes his opponents to come to him. Watch the Lacy fight again, please. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Its not ridiculous its the truth if calzaghe and pavlik fight niether will get tired or back up, it would be like a slug fest and pavlik would win. you fail to understand that the only thing joe brings into the ring that is so fearsome is his workrate, that wont bother kelly if he stands in there and fights with him.....now who's stronger kelly or joe? The ONLY advantage Kelly has is his Power and as it had been shown it doesn't work as effectively above 160. Calzaghe would do the same thing Hopkins did but at an even higher pace but proberbly not hurt him as much at this stage in Joe's career.

You jacka$$es on this forum dont seem to understand this concept when I started to box in the amateurs about a year ago I was taught this concept before even learning my jab, with different fighters you have to fight different ways. yesterday night was a great example. statements that need to be made. 1. Kelly pavlik is not trash 2. B-hops win doesnt do shit for calzaghe's resume,because kelly and joe fight differently 3. kelly was suited for bernards style ....and kinda reminds me of tito trinidad 4. if calzaghe fought bernard again the fight will look the same but the outcomemight be different 5. if calzaghe and pavlik fought I would choose pavlik because joe doesnt know how to fight backing up and pavlik doesnt fight going backwards. 6.B-HOP ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Points 5. Calzaghe would throughly outbox him, Hopkins was faster, unorthadox and had a higher workrate those were the key things that Hopkins had to win and he pushed Kelly back several times so Kelly does fight backward. Calzaghe is faster than Kelly, has a much higher workrate than Kelly, is unorthadox he'd be in Kelly's chest constantly pushing Kelly back and widely outscoring him.

Its not ridiculous its the truth if calzaghe and pavlik fight niether will get tired or back up, it would be like a slug fest and pavlik would win. you fail to understand that the only thing joe brings into the ring that is so fearsome is his workrate, that wont bother kelly if he stands in there and fights with him.....now who's stronger kelly or joe? Kid, I'm too old to be arguing with you. I have followed boxing for 31 years. I can teach you a lot. Calzaghe is far stronger than kelly Pavlik. Joe Calzaghe walks around at almost 200 pounds between fights. Joe is a BIG super middleweight. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Point 5 is f**king ridiculous. Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously saying garbage like that? Its not ridiculous its the truth if calzaghe and pavlik fight niether will get tired or back up, it would be like a slug fest and pavlik would win. you fail to understand that the only thing joe brings into the ring that is so fearsome is his workrate, that wont bother kelly if he stands in there and fights with him.....now who's stronger kelly or joe?

You jacka$$es on this forum dont seem to understand this concept when I started to box in the amateurs about a year ago I was taught this concept before even learning my jab, with different fighters you have to fight different ways. yesterday night was a great example. statements that need to be made. 1. Kelly pavlik is not trash 2. B-hops win doesnt do shit for calzaghe's resume,because kelly and joe fight differently 3. kelly was suited for bernards style ....and kinda reminds me of tito trinidad 4. if calzaghe fought bernard again the fight will look the same but the outcomemight be different 5. if calzaghe and pavlik fought I would choose pavlik because joe doesnt know how to fight backing up and pavlik doesnt fight going backwards. 6.B-HOP ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Point 5 is f**king ridiculous. Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously saying garbage like that? Also you're wrong about point 2. Whether you like it or not, people will see Calzaghe's resume in a better light now that Hopkins destroyed America's greatest white boxing hope, but Hopkins was beaten by Calzaghe. And point 1: Pavlik is trash against elite competition who he can't bully. That would include Calzaghe. Point 6 proves you're a biased fanboy. You're 17 though, I see you have a lot of learning to do. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3