Could this be the start of the end for Jack Loew traning Pavlik?

Loew seems to be a good, but limited trainer. He isn't overly perceptive and I think that's engrained into Kelly as well. All this talk of plan A, B, C, D, where the hell where they guys? He said nothing in the corner to suggest there'd even discuss one plan, let alone 4. The instructions he was giving were overly simplistic and repeated, and of little value. Someone mentioned feinting I think FRKO, and that's so true. Pavlik hardly did at all whilst Joe did loads, basic tactical tool against a counter puncher and they didn't even talk about let alone perform any. Fundamentally flawed, Pavlik needs some changes to his training set up. At most I could see him accepting an assistant trainer and seeing how much he benefits from it over time, he's not going to drop Loew all of a sudden, much to his demise.

i think the pavlik camp should do what deontay wilders handlers are doing and bring in another trainer to supplement the camp. that's what finkel did in bringing in mark breland to aid in training deontay.

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Hopkins pretended to be hurt by a rabbit punch, and so the ref deducted a point from Kelly. Putting on an act like that is cheating. Doesn't matter if he was hurt by a rabbit punch or not. If I kick you in the nuts and it doesn't hurt, would that make it right? Props to Bernard for pointing it out and fighting a pretty damn clean fight. He didn't need to cheat, the fight was already won. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

I was thinking the same thing when Bernard really started to get dominant in the fight. I thought does Kelly need somebody to take him to the next level? Last night though I don't think it would have mattered. Bernard schooled him in every which way. Im thinking he will stay with Loew just because Kelly seems like a guy that sticks with the people that have been loyal to him.

Hopkins pretended to be hurt by a rabbit punch, and so the ref deducted a point from Kelly. Putting on an act like that is cheating. The ref took a bullshit point off Hopkins too, to even things up. So.. I hate Jack Loew...but i never heard that. And why didn't Merchant or Steward harp on that? Maybe i misheard, it was late here. I thought I did, and others say the same. I'll have a listen when I rewatch the fight in a little while.

Now that, I DID hear. I thought it was REEDYCKYALOUS to say that. It CLEARLY was not "plan B", and those two fighters have COMPLETELY different styles and abilities. Jack Loew is an abortion. Nah man, I heard it clear as a bell too. Even my girlfriend laughed at that comment and she doesn't even follow boxing. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

I posted this on another messageboard board but this has to be the most unprepared I have ever seen a boxer for a fight. Pavlik and his camp didnt take hopkins serious and all the talk wasnt about strategy but how they were gonna knock b-hop out. After the first few minutes you could tell how unprepared pavlik was for this fight, and during the rounds his camp really had no answers on how to adjust. After the 7th round you could see pavlik shout in fustration and when his corner was talking to him about his attacking hopkins he said "Im trying my best". I felt bad for this kid because his trainer and camp let him down big time. He looks like a level headed kid that could be molded unlike hamed and others who had great trainers but were just to arrogant to listen to them. I think I even saw pavlik cry after the fight and the interview afterwords he still didnt have an answer just that he knew he needed to learn something. All I heard from Loew was double up on your jab and feint over and over and he offered no real strategy. FWIW I think to most telling thing of the fight was when hopkins went to talk to him and told he how he saw things pavlik was doing in camp and how he gameplanned for it. Hopkins basically gave pavlik in a few minutes more advice than pavliks camp gave him during his whole training session leading up to the fight.

Loew isnt a bad trainer, he's just not an elite trainer. He's good at teaching the basics, but that can only get a fighter like Pavlik so far. It was more Pavliks, toughness, heart, and power that got him to where he is, not his training. Steward would be a great trainer for Pavlik. He does well with Long lanky fighters.

How did he cheat against Pavlik? he always head butts and rabit punches, holds and hits, etc.

I mean it got to the point where Kelly wasnt even listening to him anymore and Loew telling Pavlik to hit Bhop low. Loew can only teach Pavlik so much, and i'm sure top rank is already hinting at Pavlik to drop him. What do you all think? I hope so. Jack Loew is useless, and I knew this way before the Hopkins fight. Did you see Loew whisper in Kelly's ear that he needs to increase his output because "that's how Calzaghe beat Hopkins"? That comment just sealed it for me, on top of all the barking of useless instructions in between rounds to double up on his "f***ing" jab. As if that'd work. :thinking: Jack Loew doesn't know what he's talking about. He treats Kelly like a school kid. Kelly should KO Jack Loew and find someone better. Maybe Enzo Calzaghe. LOL. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Jack Loew is a disgrace!.. He tells his fighter "hit him in the nuts"... He keeps telling him "double jab, right hand" when its not even working and i thought it was so amatuerish when he said "you have to throw more punches thats how calzaghe beat him" or something like... i think pavlik brought himself up with his tuffness and power. jack loew had nothing to do with success.

that's good advice considering the dirty fighter he was fighting.. shit, bernard cheats all the time. How did he cheat against Pavlik?

His advice stemmed to "Double jab right hand", "You gotta double your jab Kelly", "Low blow him". Pavlik should get another trainer for sure. that's good advice considering the dirty fighter he was fighting.. shit, bernard cheats all the time.

Pavlik should do what Hatton did. He could still have many good years left unless he is ruined by this loss. This is as far as he can go with his current style and training in my opinion.

Actually telling your fighter to hit low is disgraceful If that is not an act of desperation I don't know what is.

I mean it got to the point where Kelly wasnt even listening to him anymore and Loew telling Pavlik to hit Bhop low. Loew can only teach Pavlik so much, and i'm sure top rank is already hinting at Pavlik to drop him. What do you all think? Is that what I heard? Man I thought I heard Loew say that but said, no couldn't be. Pavlik is too stubborn to drop him. They rose to the top together and will stay that way through thick and thin.

Actually telling your fighter to hit low is disgraceful

We can only hope. If he keeps Loew on it should be as an assistant trainer only.

after what round did leow tell pav to hit low? It wasn't even just telling him to hit low, if I remember correctly, he told Pavlik to hit Hopkins in the balls. I thought I heard him tell Pavlik to hit Hopkins in the balls, I'll find the clip of it if I'm right