I think so.
If Pavlik beats Hopkins (which he will) and does it more convincingly than Joe did (quite possible) , it takes away from Joe's best win (not for me but to most it's his best win).
Thoughts?
Joe fought his worst fight in years against Hopkins. Hard-core fans know that. So to them Hopkins isn't a true measuring stick for Pavlik's chances against Joe. Styles makes fights and Pavlik will likely get some more respect from Hopkins power-wise.
I hope Pavlik wins tonight. Hopkins needs to retire already. He's got nothing left to prove and should have retired long ago. It's easy to root for the old man but it's best for boxing if Pavlik wins tonight.
Tua, please name those nuthuggers you are referring to.
not saying using pavlik as a measuring stick.
i'm talking about what pavlik beating bernard might take away from joe's win over bernard. would joe guys prefer a pavlik loss to make joe's win look better?
no nuthugger in particular. not a flame thread. just asking what the real calzaghe fans think of this fight. would they root for hopkins to beat pavlik so joe's win looks more impressive? i just used the term nuthugger instead of fan. i'm more interested in the real joe guys view. fan can mean a lot of things. nuthugger is more specific.
I love Herbie Hide. I hope he gets a title shot sometime soon, it'll be 2 rounds of greatness.
He is pure drama.
Macca would probably knock Hide out.
But Hide can put together good combinations even at his age. If your really good though, you really should lay old Herbie out. lol
Audley is such a pussy he gets knocked out. Not that Hide is a mental giant. They could both cry in this fight if it happens.
Hide is ranked No5 by the WBC Cruiserweight rankings apparently. He campaigns there now.
Hide vs Macca is more likely to happen.
If Hide managed to win a world title now, he deserves a knighthood.
Audley is waiting.
That shit needs to be put to bed.
Audley is such a pussy he gets knocked out. Not that Hide is a mental giant. They could both cry in this fight if it happens.
Hide is ranked No5 by the WBC Cruiserweight rankings apparently. He campaigns there now.
Hide vs Macca is more likely to happen.
i like both guys alot. pavlik is my fav, but joe is not far behind. i hope the fight is close with kelly winning because 1. i don't want bhop beaten bad, and 2. because that proves to me kelly is elite and on the level of joe and deserves the fight. i know he's the champ etc, but another win on the level, or above the 2 taylor wins would prove alot to me, and many! you can't say he's not great if he can beat bhop, and taylor 2x. he does this he is deserves the hype. i will concede the taylor fights as not quite the top as argued by some, or pavlik may have had taylors number etc...but if he beats bhop as good or more than joe did than he must be given his props. bhop proved he's still very damn good vs joe. don't gimme this shit that bhop is shot etc..... he was a tough mofo against joe! if bhop beats him close, big shit the kid is 26 yrs old, and still a little green, 10 lbs over his best weight, and it's not shameful to lose a close fight to an atg. he gets beaten up than ok, he's good, but not calzaghe good. if pavlik wins i will be pissed if joe fights anyone else minus pavlik, or dawson. if he does not retire of course.
The Calzaghe groupies on here will be willing Pavlik to lose because it will put a stop to the momentum for a Slappy v Pavlik fight.
Then Joe can retire without such an immediate question mark over his shoulder, once he has outworked a shot RJJ for a UD.
Don't listen to what they say, this is what they want.
I don't think there's a Calzaghe fan on here that wouldn't want a Pavlik-Calzaghe fight but IMO he doesn't need to prove himself against Pavlik if he retire after Jones but IF he chooses to fight on after RJJ (if he wins) then he has a few choices. If Pavlik beat B-Hop (i don't think he will) then there the likes of Pavlik, Dawson or someone like Abraham (less likely but possible)
I know you posted before, that's who I was referring to when I said that I don't believe them.
Hey Kris....must've been pretty hard typing out that you wanted Pavlik to win, huh? :lol1:
I can only imagine the strained typing and scrunching of your face when you forced yourself to write that.
Lets get this straight. Your position is all significant Calzaghe fans are the same and more biased than most, and you know how all of their minds work, what they think and want.
And you think you deserve more credibility.
I want Pavlik to win because I think it'd be better for boxing, and it means a potential match up with Calzaghe. Pretty transparent and logical, you'd think a guy whom claims to be able to read minds could follow. But no no, you know what other people think and want, you know best.
I think you're a bit off Keyser,
I think most Calzaghe fans would like myself would expect a fit Joe Calzaghe to kick Pavlik up and down. He's hardly a puzzle to be figured out. He carries a punchers chance for Joe, and he also carries a fat wedge of money for Joe if both fighters are victorious.
Would Joe turn down big money to fight Pavlik, would he feck. Even if he got sparked, it'd still be worth it.
It's still prizefighting, do people forget that?
The Calzaghe groupies on here will be willing Pavlik to lose because it will put a stop to the momentum for a Slappy v Pavlik fight.
Then Joe can retire without such an immediate question mark over his shoulder, once he has outworked a shot RJJ for a UD.
Don't listen to what they say, this is what they want.
I've literally just posted above that, infront of your post, saying if anything I'd lean towards wanting Pavlik to win. If your gona make out any Joe fan saying that is lying, then your just a hater.
Is that fence comfortable? Can i join you?
Hehe, yer there's a spot just to the left, knock yourself out mate.
I often just want the best guy to win unless I have significant allegiances to one of those actual fighters in the ring.
I don't, I half respect both fighters for different reasons and whoever wins, deserves it. Meant to be.
I'd slightly lean towards Pavlik and would very slightly prefer him to win actually, as it'd perhaps be better for boxing. Plus would mean Calzaghe may face him. If he loses it does make Joes win over Hops look better though.
Overall I genuinely just want the best man to win and am not confident on either.
Is that fence comfortable? Can i join you?
I'd slightly lean towards Pavlik and would very slightly prefer him to win actually, as it'd perhaps be better for boxing. Plus would mean Calzaghe may face him. If he loses it does make Joes win over Hops look better though.
Overall I genuinely just want the best man to win and am not confident on either.
Joe fought his worst fight in years against Hopkins. Hard-core fans know that. So to them Hopkins isn't a true measuring stick for Pavlik's chances against Joe. Styles makes fights and Pavlik will likely get some more respect from Hopkins power-wise.
I hope Pavlik wins tonight. Hopkins needs to retire already. He's got nothing left to prove and should have retired long ago. It's easy to root for the old man but it's best for boxing if Pavlik wins tonight.
Tua, please name those nuthuggers you are referring to.
Alot of fighters fight their worst fight vs Bernard, hardcore fight fans know this...
I think so.
If Pavlik beats Hopkins (which he will) and does it more convincingly than Joe did (quite possible) , it takes away from Joe's best win (not for me but to most it's his best win).
Thoughts?
and if by any chance Pavlik manages to give Hopkins his first loss via stoppage, i'll make Calzaghe look like a turd. :D