Mayweather Notable Wins
Jesus Chavez TKO 9
Carlos Hernandez UD 12
Diego Corrales TKO 10
Genaro Hernandez RTD 8
Pacquiao Notable Wins
Juan Manuel Marquez SD 12
Marco Antonio Barrera UD 12
Erik Morales KO 3/TKO 10
Oscar Larios UD 12
Discuss and say why :smashfrea
Geez...I don't think Pac's resume at 130 is better than Floyd's. I just don't. I would say I'm surprised by the poll results but nothing surprises me on here anymore.
a lot of Manny's fans are either casual fans or fans who study one fighter, one nationality, or are new to the boxing world so it doesn't surprise me at all
"oh Manny's name in a poll? I choose him because he is the best"
thats basically how it goes.
Geez...I don't think Pac's resume at 130 is better than Floyd's. I just don't. I would say I'm surprised by the poll results but nothing surprises me on here anymore.
at 130 Mayweather was boring?
wow now I heard it all
and it Floyd and like Dazed said its not even close. Those picking Manny are picking solely based on the name and their past accomplishments while failing to recognize how the people Floyd faced at 130 did post Mayweather.
Chavez- went on to become a titleist again in fact he is a two time champ post Floyd
Famoso- won a title after Mayweather beat him.
Chico- wins a title at 130 then moves up to face Popo and beats him to be a titleist at 135 as well. Beats Castillo in arguably the best fight we have seen.
Chicanito- retired with the only two losses of his career being DLH (who made him go to 135) and Floyd.
now Manny's
Morales- 1-2 against Manny at 130. Lost his bid to be a 135kb titelist against David Diaz, who Manny bludgeoned in his bid to be a lightweight titleist
Barrera- 0-1 against Manny at 130. Has not fought since and was basically out of the fight by round 4
Marquez- 0-1 against Manny at 130. The best win for Manny at 130 and it's controversial. Goes on to beat the Ring Titliest at 135 in Casamayor. Probably Manny's best overall name
Larios- lost a punishing fight to Linares, continues to fight even after Drs recommended he dont, was given the wbc belt and barely beat an unknown 16-0 fight from Japan to keep it....at featherweight
it is floyd is boring.. admit it. look at the poll.
but i vote for floyd.
The fact that pac is winning the poll and morons like bloodthing and joart are the one "repping" that side makes you wonder who are those who voted for pac
good luck DW :p
both are good.
the different is the people watching the fight.
pac is exciting with good resume. eventhough he got lost in 1st morales fight.
pbf is boring with excellent resume.
style makes fight. this will make the difference between boring and exciting fight
at 130 Mayweather was boring?
wow now I heard it all
and it Floyd and like Dazed said its not even close. Those picking Manny are picking solely based on the name and their past accomplishments while failing to recognize how the people Floyd faced at 130 did post Mayweather.
Chavez- went on to become a titleist again in fact he is a two time champ post Floyd
Famoso- won a title after Mayweather beat him.
Chico- wins a title at 130 then moves up to face Popo and beats him to be a titleist at 135 as well. Beats Castillo in arguably the best fight we have seen.
Chicanito- retired with the only two losses of his career being DLH (who made him go to 135) and Floyd.
now Manny's
Morales- 1-2 against Manny at 130. Lost his bid to be a 135kb titelist against David Diaz, who Manny bludgeoned in his bid to be a lightweight titleist
Barrera- 0-1 against Manny at 130. Has not fought since and was basically out of the fight by round 4
Marquez- 0-1 against Manny at 130. The best win for Manny at 130 and it's controversial. Goes on to beat the Ring Titliest at 135 in Casamayor. Probably Manny's best overall name
Larios- lost a punishing fight to Linares, continues to fight even after Drs recommended he dont, was given the wbc belt and barely beat an unknown 16-0 fight from Japan to keep it....at featherweight
both are good.
the different is the people watching the fight.
pac is exciting with good resume. eventhough he got lost in 1st morales fight.
pbf is boring with excellent resume.
style makes fight. this will make the difference between boring and exciting fight
Corrales was actually in his prime when Mayweather beat him, so I'd say Mayweather. Corrales was also on the pound for pound list at the time and has one of the best junior lightweight reigns in recent memory. That win IMO was better than an over the hill Barrerra or Morales.
and pacman lost to Morales the 1st time after grueling fights with Barrera. It's easily Floyd.
I think Morales was the underdog, but I might be mistaken.
After all, Morales had just lost to Barrera, and Pacquiao was still on an undefeated streak after his shocking (at the time) upset of Barrera 126.
It's really difficult to know that he is going to be unprofessional in the future though, don't you agree?
I mean, really, he hadn't ever not made weight for a fight back when there was talk of them fighting at 130, right?
By the way, I think the much better argument you should go for instead of Guzman is irrelevant... is that he moved up to 135, immediately took a belt and is taking a tougher fight right now as we speak. It's not like Pacquiao has taken a ton of fights off to fight weak competition, so there are reasons why he hasn't fought people like Valero, Soto and Guzman. It's not that he has been ducking them to fight terrible fighters, there are just too many good fighters out there right now.
Yeah you have a point on that, but Pacman prefers a fight that's is better from this fighter that's why Soto, Guzman including Valero did not prosper and fight did not happens because of their Promoters idea and handpicking Pacmans opponents.
Its a very straight forward question. Who has a better RESUME @130 ????
94 - PAC
76 - PBF
It's very obvious that it is PAC. but do i think PAC beats PBF @130? NO!!!!
It just so happened that Pac's competition is better compared to the time of PBF.
*No out of prime bull shits please....
Well Nothing to argue about this BHop is one of my Fav He was a gifted fighter even he is 43yo. KP just move up in weight and fight a heavier fighter.
but in the case of Pac and EM Pac is the underdog and moving up in weight ti fight EM.
I think Morales was the underdog, but I might be mistaken.
After all, Morales had just lost to Barrera, and Pacquiao was still on an undefeated streak after his shocking (at the time) upset of Barrera 126.
Professionalism and Discipline as simple as that.
It's really difficult to know that he is going to be unprofessional in the future though, don't you agree?
I mean, really, he hadn't ever not made weight for a fight back when there was talk of them fighting at 130, right?
By the way, I think the much better argument you should go for instead of Guzman is irrelevant... is that he moved up to 135, immediately took a belt and is taking a tougher fight right now as we speak. It's not like Pacquiao has taken a ton of fights off to fight weak competition, so there are reasons why he hasn't fought people like Valero, Soto and Guzman. It's not that he has been ducking them to fight terrible fighters, there are just too many good fighters out there right now.
Please explain to me what proof there was that Guzman wasn't going to make weight in later 2008 at the time when there were cries for Pacquiao to fight him...
Please, I'm just dying to know what new method we have of predicting the future, so I can get in on that.
Professionalism and Discipline as simple as that.
Think about how many hard fights Morales has had.
Also, think about how many fights Morales had period in such a short amount of time.
Finally, who is more prime... 29 year old Vargas or 43 year old Hopkins?
Age is not the most relevant factor in primeness in boxing.
Well Nothing to argue about this BHop is one of my Fav He was a gifted fighter even he is 43yo. KP just move up in weight and fight a heavier fighter.
but in the case of Pac and EM Pac is the underdog and moving up in weight ti fight EM.
Not an excuses nuts, it is a proven facts.
Please explain to me what proof there was that Guzman wasn't going to make weight in later 2008 at the time when there were cries for Pacquiao to fight him...
Please, I'm just dying to know what new method we have of predicting the future, so I can get in on that.
Im am using you as a general example because idiots like WMUTE and company doesn't even remotely challenge me mentally... It seems with idiots like them Im just going through the motion of applying manipulation but eliciting little logic from their empty brains...
You on the other hand make a somewhat decent model because you argue with SOME SENSE and yet you are still an idiot because you argue on the other side. :D
That is why you make a good tool.
In this case you are already educated on the facts as I have in the past extensively explained, as well as others.
But you have to understand... I am after the readers here and not idiots like you.
In order to convince, I need to refute arguments presented by those with COHERENCE even if it is wrong.
Insults are worthless to me.
It just so happened that you are the only available moron who can use his brains. I've been baiting them and yet all they know is yap, yap and yap some more.
Oh sorry. next time Ill endeavor to explain in more simple terms. :D
How does voting and arguing for the side you are on make me arguing for the other side? Once again, just trying to understand your deep logic.
This is exactly the type of stupidity that I want from a noob.
At least with this kind of idiotic arguments I can properly shove it back.
But I wont for now.
Because if I did then you'd be educated and you will never repeat the same idiocy twice.
Now I dont want you to do that noob.
Well... shit!
I've change my mind after that assbeating you just gave me.
The assurance that you will show me later how I was wrong is enough for me to change my mind.
The Morales that lost to Pacquiao twice was as prime as can be.
:lol1:
I thought you were done responding in this thread for now... :thinking:
wft Who The Hell Past His Prime Is Eric Morales At 29, 30 & 31 Yo Compare To Joel Casamayor Who Is 37 Yo. Think Twice Nuts....
Think about how many hard fights Morales has had.
Also, think about how many fights Morales had period in such a short amount of time.
Finally, who is more prime... 29 year old Vargas or 43 year old Hopkins?
Age is not the most relevant factor in primeness in boxing.