Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe

I could actually see joe stopping dawson. Not with brute force (Joe don't have that no more). But with Dawsons shaky chin, I can see him balling up under a Calzaghe flurry, causing a stoppage.

most important part of the fight would be the start of the fight and the first 3/4 rounds. both fighters would want to win the first few reounds as whoever these rounds go to then become the counter puncher. if joe wins them then he can relax and start fighting off the back foot and play the role of counter puncher, he is more suited to this and wouldn't run the risk of leaving himself exposed or his balance getting the better of him and suffering a flash KD. dawson as well would prefer it as he could time his shots and use his speed. however you get the feeling that joe has more in his arsenal and even if he needs to he can fight from the front foot and use his aggression and windmilling style to back up dawson which seems to be easily done. dawson makes two mistakes that would cost him against joe: 1) he covers up way too easy: against joe this is suicide and would allow him to rack up the pints with his flurries 2) stamina: against tarver and johnson he seme to take rounds off before finally asserting himselfa as someone said before joe forces you into fighting the fight at his pace, a pace that most of other fighters cant handle, dwson is clever but calz just wouldn't give him the time to think in the ring. calzaghe would win and imo would win quite omfortably what would be interesting is to see kessler and dawson. now that would be one helluva fight!!!!! ________ Ford Xw Falcon

KrisSilver i think youve been pretty much spot on when talking about calzaghe, dawson and the match up betwen them and how it would play out. gotta say maybe a 30 yr old dawson would be schooled enough to now how to deal with JC but otherwise no i cant see him winning. youre reight about joe backing up dawson dawson doesn't return fire when hes being hit, imo its another reason why alot of ppl including myself think he has got a suspect chin. joe is still a few notches above dawson, but daaaayyymmmnn i wish joe had been born a few years later or earlier!! if hed been 30/32 no hed be in his prime and could face dawson and pavlik to silence the doubters. ________ Vapir Air One

this is a fight i would like to see

That's bullshit and you know it. Dawson actually fights...and punches like a man. Joe flails like a drowning Spider monkey. He has NOTHING to keep Dawson from walking right thru him. That would be the problem. Joe doesn't have the fire power to make Chad think twice about coming in and Dawson is very effective and aggressive when he gets into that rhythm and knows that hes superior, similar to the way he did with Eric Harding and Ian Gardner (two slick southpaws actually). Judges like effective punches.

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It would be a good match between the true champion of the division (Calzaghe) and arguably best titleholder in the division (Dawson), but it will not happen anytime soon. Perhaps, if Calzaghe beats Jones, then the match will happen, but even then, I doubt it because more people have been clamoring for Calzaghe to fight middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik. Dawson is too high risk/low reward for Calzaghe to go anywhere near.

Why are you quoting me? Are your feelings hurt?No mate:angel:but i take it you Dont like calzaghe then!?

i think it'd be a bad style match-up for Joe

Calzaghe has no power. All he has is hand speed. Dawson has that as well as average power, and youth on his side. Dawson will win.

Terrific post mate, better backed up than anything else I've seen. Dawson certainly does seem to have improved a lot out of the Johnson match which is a great sign. I don't think Johnson pressured for every minute of every round though, he took his foot of the gas a few times and allowed Dawson to re-coup, and I'm not sure Joe would. Also you noted orthodox, Joe isn't so I think it'd confuse Dawson as much even though he has improved. Largest reason being he's still not that stubborn in the ring, he pays his opponents too much respect. Good stuff. I do believe that both would confuse each other considering both are southpaws, however neither southpaw that Joe has fought was ranked, so I'm not sure how he would fair against someone with the hand speed and ability of Dawson. Calzaghe does throw some looping shots your right, and he would get caught more than Johnson/Tarver there which would cost a couple of rounds. Dawsons not more powerful than Hops or Kessler though, even if he was lucky to land a hard counter at most it would be a flash knock down, I can't see Dawson getting through a few of those or much volume without Calzaghe adapting and responding with aggression. One thing almost for sure, is neither guys getting knocked out. I think that Dawson punches harder than Hopkins at light heavyweight and at least as hard as Kessler will at 175. The punches that he was hitting Tarver with sounded like lightning. Hopkins was never a huge puncher even at middleweight, it was just his well place shots at the right time mixed with his speed that had so much effect, and Dawson does that pretty well. I see Calzaghe playing the roll of the aggressor, and Dawson playing the part of the counter puncher at times. I think that his natural size and body punching would be a factor, and Chad has the stamina to keep up to Joe and offset his work rate.

That's nothing to be ashamed of. He earned his stripes from that fight and it was the first time that he was pressured. Clearly he has picked up on his defensive and has also fought the better southpaws. Johnson is an orthodox volume puncher that pressures you for every minute of every round, that come in with the ability to slip and block punches at the same time, and that disrupted Chads foot movement. Calzaghe gives you more of a target, doesn't have a punch at this stage, is clearly the smaller man and gives you his opportunities by throwing wide looping shots and dropping his hands, and IMO that's the reason why he struggled against counter punchers like Reid and Hopkins that had the ability to exploit that. Terrific post mate, better backed up than anything else I've seen. Dawson certainly does seem to have improved a lot out of the Johnson match which is a great sign. I don't think Johnson pressured for every minute of every round though, he took his foot of the gas a few times and allowed Dawson to re-coup, and I'm not sure Joe would. Also you noted orthodox, Joe isn't so I think it'd confuse Dawson as much even though he has improved. Largest reason being he's still not that stubborn in the ring, he pays his opponents too much respect. Calzaghe does throw some looping shots your right, and he would get caught more than Johnson/Tarver there which would cost a couple of rounds. Dawsons not more powerful than Hops or Kessler though, even if he was lucky to land a hard counter at most it would be a flash knock down, I can't see Dawson getting through a few of those or much volume without Calzaghe adapting and responding with aggression. One thing almost for sure, is neither guys getting knocked out.

Some people thought Dawson struggled, looked confused and aprehensive against Johnson. You don't. As for proving one or the other you obviously can't really can you. But if you feel you have proof people were wrong and your right, be my guest. Essentially your saying this is your view, this is mine which is right. Prove yours. Erm, it's not something you can proves its a view of a performance, much the same as yours which you can't prove either. Doh. That's nothing to be ashamed of. He earned his stripes from that fight and it was the first time that he was pressured. Clearly he has picked up on his defensive and has also fought the better southpaws. Johnson is an orthodox volume puncher that pressures you for every minute of every round, that come in with the ability to slip and block punches at the same time, and that disrupted Chads foot movement. Calzaghe gives you more of a target, doesn't have a punch at this stage, is clearly the smaller man and gives you his opportunities by throwing wide looping shots and dropping his hands, and IMO that's the reason why he struggled against counter punchers like Reid and Hopkins that had the ability to exploit that.

Even before Dawson fought Johnson and Tarver, i have been saying that he would be too much for Joe. A natural light heavyweight counter puncher with all of the skill and ability with power, would be too much for Joe, especially since he doesn't have enough power to back him off with. I see Dawson out boxing him to a unanimous decision.

everyone can beat calzaghe:ugh: Why are you quoting me? Are your feelings hurt?

Dude, we're done here. Your bias is just nuts. Yes, Dawson is faster than Calzaghe. I can't even believe it's up for debate but hey, look who I'm talking to: When you start making comments like Calzaghe's never been "confused, apprehensive and not throwing enough" (I could've sworn that's what he looked like the first five rounds of his LAST FIGHT) then there's nothing more to say. everyone can beat calzaghe:ugh:

Oh dear. Because you obviously watch a lot of boxing, just you have the stubbornness and attitude of Scrouge. Some people thought Dawson struggled, looked confused and aprehensive against Johnson. You don't. As for proving one or the other you obviously can't really can you. But if you feel you have proof people were wrong and your right, be my guest. Essentially your saying this is your view, this is mine which is right. Prove yours. Erm, it's not something you can proves its a view of a performance, much the same as yours which you can't prove either. Doh. I Kill you? Here's what I said again for you; "confused, apprehensive and not throwing enough. These are for starters things you never see from Calzaghe." Page 4. Let me know if you want posts re iterated and quoted to you again, it's no problem. Honest mistake I'm sure. So by your standards, you have proof Dawson is faster in both do you? Sorry but certainly hands it's too close to tell for sure. Dude, we're done here. Your bias is just nuts. Yes, Dawson is faster than Calzaghe. I can't even believe it's up for debate but hey, look who I'm talking to: When you start making comments like Calzaghe's never been "confused, apprehensive and not throwing enough" (I could've sworn that's what he looked like the first five rounds of his LAST FIGHT) then there's nothing more to say.

As much as i like Dawson,I cant help but feel he can only fight in short bursts! When he was fighting Taver he was taking every other round off ! I recon he would gass against someone with a Huge punch out put like Calzaghe!:boxing:

And how do you know I'm knowledgeable then? Oxymoron, much? Oh dear. Because you obviously watch a lot of boxing, just you have the stubbornness and attitude of Scrouge. Ok. So you can't prove it. It's just your opinion. Well, my opinion is that while he may not have had answers, he wasn't confused. Just was getting beat. BTW, he won a close fight. Some people thought Dawson struggled, looked confused and aprehensive against Johnson. You don't. As for proving one or the other you obviously can't really can you. But if you feel you have proof people were wrong and your right, be my guest. Essentially your saying this is your view, this is mine which is right. Prove yours. Erm, it's not something you can proves its a view of a performance, much the same as yours which you can't prove either. Doh. So then what did you say? You kill me. I Kill you? Here's what I said again for you; "confused, apprehensive and not throwing enough. These are for starters things you never see from Calzaghe." Page 4. Let me know if you want posts re iterated and quoted to you again, it's no problem. Honest mistake I'm sure. Ok. Just wanted to point out to you that he often gets impatient and swings wildly, which YOU said he didn't. Your right to pick my up on that actually, he can do at times. He didn't really with Kessler much however and I don't think he would with Dawson. We'll probably never know though. If you're not sure who has better hand and foot speed, we're done here. So by your standards, you have proof Dawson is faster in both do you? Sorry but certainly hands it's too close to tell for sure.