The best defensive boxer ever?

Where the **** is Toney at in this shitty ass poll Forget Toney wheres ****ing Gary lockett in there?

He is like Dempsey, Armstrong and Frazier. It's not exactly pretty but it's effective. Joe Frazier was one of the best at ducking under his opponent's punches while coming forward all the time. The video was made by someone else. There was a thread about it some time ago. I thought it was funny, especially the part about Marciano distracting Louis by hitting the ropes. What made Joe so dangerous is the way he baited you into throwing uppercuts at him. Once you started doing that, you were his. That vicious left hook was going to find you, and you were done.

He is like Dempsey, Armstrong and Frazier. It's not exactly pretty but it's effective. Joe Frazier was one of the best at ducking under his opponent's punches while coming forward all the time. The video was made by someone else. There was a thread about it some time ago. I thought it was funny, especially the part about Marciano distracting Louis by hitting the ropes. i've always though that frazier copped his style from dempsey.

Machine when I 1st saw that video it changed the way I thought about Marciano. I still feel that he is overated but was impressed with his defense. I alwayz thought he was some face first no defense brawler. I was WRONG. That belief was in me for a pretty long time He is like Dempsey, Armstrong and Frazier. It's not exactly pretty but it's effective. Joe Frazier was one of the best at ducking under his opponent's punches while coming forward all the time. On a side note Manchine....are you some kind of computer/video genius or something? You had that video up as a response to my post 4 minutes after I posted it. I sat back and laughed a little bit and thought to myself, 'damn, this guy is good!' The video was made by someone else. There was a thread about it some time ago. I thought it was funny, especially the part about Marciano distracting Louis by hitting the ropes.

Marciano did have above average defense as this video shows: I agree it was above average. Certainly better than he is given credit for. But there were many factors as to why he was undefeated, as there is with Mayweather. On a side note Manchine....are you some kind of computer/video genius or something? You had that video up as a response to my post 4 minutes after I posted it. I sat back and laughed a little bit and thought to myself, 'damn, this guy is good!'

By this logic I have to nominate Rocky Marciano as one of the best defensive fighters ever. He did get hit, but was 49-0 so he MUST have had great D.:smashfrea Marciano did have above average defense as this video shows: This video, along with Marciano's undefeated record and the fact that he was only down twice (and neither KD was serious) proves that Rocky was truly the greatest defensive fighter of all time. Sven Ottke is number 2, Mayweather might come third place.

By this logic I have to nominate Rocky Marciano as one of the best defensive fighters ever. He did get hit, but was 49-0 so he MUST have had great D.:smashfrea :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

the best defensive boxer has to be Floyd Mayweather. he hardly ever get hit. his defensive skills are the best. as a result of them he hasnt been beaten 39-0 By this logic I have to nominate Rocky Marciano as one of the best defensive fighters ever. He did get hit, but was 49-0 so he MUST have had great D.:smashfrea

I don't understand why Hatton isn't on the list.

Probably Benitez.

ohh yeaa for a heavyweight Iron Mike is not a bad choice...

i would have to say Whitaker and Roy Jones Jr... Jones has his own unique boxing style like no other......

If you don't like Limp Bizkit, my bad. But here is a video I found that answers for me.... Every time I see that it reminds me that Pernell Whitaker has the best defense I've ever seen. And that includes Floyd Mayweather jr.

Too many people judge PBF by what they have seen of his style at 140 and 147. In PBF's early fights at 130 and 135 he was aggressive and very offensive. PBF at those weights fought more in the pocket than he just flat out boxed from the outside. PBF actually sat down on his punches at those weights. Fighters need to be judge by their whole career not just late in their career. If a fighter has the skills their fighting style will change with moving up in weight which is what PBF did and allowed him to win at those higher weights. I think is unfair to make such a statement, Whittaker moved up from 135(2 in shorter as well). His style didn't change much and he had far less power then PBF. His willingness to win a fight is what made him great, PBFs fight to not lose is obnoxious and though PBF's D is narley I think a potent offense is very good to have. His defense was good enough that he didn't have to change his fight style at a heavier weight. I watched PBF when he was coming up. His offense was solid, but you can't base things on just the early part of their career. He has always been a master boxer. PBF's fighter selection is annoying as well. Having a good defense against a Hatton or DLh isn't exactly difficult(an old Whittaker made DLH look worse then a young PBF).

amir khan defence is stuff of legend amir khan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWX2CVv-CEw

not sayin Tito was da best but y u knockin him? he got a big heart, a big punch, some skill & jus lost to the very best fighters in his time...a very good boxer wit a solid jab will keep him honest but the fact is he fought & beat Pernell, not like delahoya(i had a draw)... I am not knocking him IMO just saying that he isn't near sweet pea in terms of fighting. I actually used to like trinidad very much until he got on his lazy shit and just fighting bullshit fights for money. I had the de la hoya fight a draw also.

floyd mayweather's defensive subtleties put him slightly above whitaker, imo and i havent watched hardly any willie pep so i cant say

Trinidad is so many levels below the caliber of fighter sweet pea was it isn't even debateable. not sayin Tito was da best but y u knockin him? he got a big heart, a big punch, some skill & jus lost to the very best fighters in his time...a very good boxer wit a solid jab will keep him honest but the fact is he fought & beat Pernell, not like delahoya(i had a draw)...

lol...he was in his prime when he was on coke... Trinidad is so many levels below the caliber of fighter sweet pea was it isn't even debateable.

Sweet Pea would have made Trinidad look like a jr. olympian amatuer if he would have fought Pea in his prime. Sweet Pea out of prime and on coke and Trinidad still couldn't hit Pea enough to get a KO. Trinidad did knock him down and thats it. You trippin if you think prime for prime Trinidad has a chance against Sweet Pea. lol...he was in his prime when he was on coke...