lead left hook or right hand lead?
I think it will be the left hook that causes calzaghe all the trouble, he has never seen a left hook like it and thrown from such unorthodox angles. it will take him until round 6 to adapt.
I still cant get over the fact anyone actually cares about this fight to be honest.
And I can't believe you aren't looking forward to it. Are you sure you're in the right forum? This is the boxing forum, you know that, right?
Sorry for the sarcasm, couldn't help it.
Jones only has one chance to beat Calzaghe. That is too land a bomb which he is well capable of doing even though he's no 'power fighter'. Calzaghe is too quick now. His reactions are too good and going 12 rounds with Calzaghe is a hell of a lot different than dancing with a blown up Felix Trinidad. Don't get me wrong I wathed and and enjoyed that fight. It proved Roy can still tango but this is different. And too all the Calzaghe haters- the Calzaghe who beat Lacy and Kessler will/would destroy Pavlik. I like Pavlik, but he is a come forward predictable fighter. Kessler is twice the fighter Pavlik is. A muxh better boxer. No question.
Good post, and welcome to the forum.
Jones only has one chance to beat Calzaghe. That is too land a bomb which he is well capable of doing even though he's no 'power fighter'. Calzaghe is too quick now. His reactions are too good and going 12 rounds with Calzaghe is a hell of a lot different than dancing with a blown up Felix Trinidad. Don't get me wrong I wathed and and enjoyed that fight. It proved Roy can still tango but this is different. And too all the Calzaghe haters- the Calzaghe who beat Lacy and Kessler will/would destroy Pavlik. I like Pavlik, but he is a come forward predictable fighter. Kessler is twice the fighter Pavlik is. A muxh better boxer. No question.
except joes not a very good counter pucnher.. he hasnt got that explosive counter punching style, hes very sloppy and ineffective
Calzaghe is a terrific counterpuncher, which is why he performs best against aggressive opponents. His favourite tactic in fights is to fool his opponent into throwing to create openings for his famous slaps. If you doubt this I suggest you watch the humiliation he handed Lacy and the almost embarassing ease with which he fooled Kessler over and over again.
Yup. EVERYBODY on this forum kept telling me how Roy was going to give everything to the third Tarver fight and be the old Roy again. I remember Roy grew a huge beard and shaved his head and shit to convince people he was a monster. They kept saying RJ is back, RJ is back, he's meaner than ever. He's going to avenge his defeats and KO the guys that put his lights out.
But no. He was the same old Roy, too scared to chase a KO win.
It will be the same old shit come November.
Roy's best performance against a southpaw was Richard Hall, but Hall was too timid to keep Roy from throwing left hooks. My favorite part of that fight was when Roy turned southpaw and just wailed away with his left hand. Hall is the reason people thought Roy would dominate Tarver because they are very similar fighters. the fact that Roy couldn't dominate proved he was almost shot back in 2004. that's why if Roy even gives Calzaghe a close fight, I'd have to continue to say Calzaghe is the most overrated "great" fighter there ever was.
Roy is going to lay back on the ropes and counter punch. If Joe can take Roy's shots, he wins going away. A lot of people tell me Roy knows this is his last hurrah and he will win or go out on his shield. To that I say bullshit. If you saw Tarver-Jones III, you know he isn't going to go out there and get it. If the KO doesn't come to Roy, he'll lose a lopsided decision without ever trying.
I should've read the entire thread before adding my post...yours says basically the same thing, just different wording/thought process. Glad I'm not the only one here who knows how this will go.
Incidentally, before I saw a prefight interview with Roy, I would've thought he might consider going all out early, trying for a dramatic win early. Now, having seen Roy's interview, that's utterly out the window. He's going to do just like you say, lay back, counter, and hope for sympathetic judges to toss him a bone. Sad, really, as I'd think one helluva lot more of Roy if, during his final show (and it will almost certainly be his final show) he let it ALL hang way the fuck out, took the chance, and accepted the consequences whatever they may be. Sometimes you just gotta man the fuck up, you know?
I think Roy is just looking at how B-Hop knocked Calzaghe down so easily and saying, "shit, I can do that."
Calzaghe is going to be all over him like stink on shit, and Roy isn't going to do shit about it. It will look like that Glen Johnson fight.
Roy's best performance against a southpaw was Richard Hall, but Hall was too timid to keep Roy from throwing left hooks. My favorite part of that fight was when Roy turned southpaw and just wailed away with his left hand. Hall is the reason people thought Roy would dominate Tarver because they are very similar fighters. the fact that Roy couldn't dominate proved he was almost shot back in 2004. that's why if Roy even gives Calzaghe a close fight, I'd have to continue to say Calzaghe is the most overrated "great" fighter there ever was.
Roy is going to lay back on the ropes and counter punch. If Joe can take Roy's shots, he wins going away. A lot of people tell me Roy knows this is his last hurrah and he will win or go out on his shield. To that I say bullshit. If you saw Tarver-Jones III, you know he isn't going to go out there and get it. If the KO doesn't come to Roy, he'll lose a lopsided decision without ever trying.
It won't be a repeat of Tarver III, Roy was a broken man at that point. He has rejuvenated himself to an extent I think. It is really tough to see Roy winning this fight though, given what we have seen over the last 4 years. I don't even think Joe is a good matchup for Roy, which makes it even worse. I highly doubt that Roy, at this stage, can sustain the output necessary to hold of Calzaghe's constant, if sometimes ineffective, aggression.
no i just dont think calzaghes ever been hit, hes not really faced anyone good enough to find his chin - or good enough to finish him off - if roy gets him hurt he'll know what to do
roy found bernard hopkins chin, whos a much more tricky fighter than joe... he might not be in his prime but hes still the same man - hes still got the same boxing brain, the only thing he hasnt got is the legs - but he dont need legs because joe will find him, joe wont stop coming forward
roy will eventually break joes rythm down
You really ought to watch the Lacy fight, Kessler fight, Byron Mitchell fight....he's caught some huge punches flush, during his career. Byron Mitchell was the only one who actually had him hurt, and he recovered quick after the KD and went on to win by stoppage.
As for which punch will be Jones' best....anything, as long as he throws at Zaggs' pace. I seriously don't believe Roy will be active enough to win...he'll be worried about burning too much energy, gassing late, and getting TKO'd, so I expect his work rate to be roughly half that of Calzaghe's, and this is what's going to cost him the fight. I just don't think Roy is capable of reaching that level of conditioning anymore, if he ever was.
As I've said before, his only real chance of winning will be to jump on Zaggs early and go for a KO, before Joe gets warmed up and into his rhythm. It's a slim chance, but I believe it to be his only chance. If he tries it and fails, a late TKO loss for Roy is a guarantee. If he doesn't, a comfortable decision win for Zaggs is a guarantee.
Roy's best performance against a southpaw was Richard Hall, but Hall was too timid to keep Roy from throwing left hooks. My favorite part of that fight was when Roy turned southpaw and just wailed away with his left hand. Hall is the reason people thought Roy would dominate Tarver because they are very similar fighters. the fact that Roy couldn't dominate proved he was almost shot back in 2004. that's why if Roy even gives Calzaghe a close fight, I'd have to continue to say Calzaghe is the most overrated "great" fighter there ever was.
Roy is going to lay back on the ropes and counter punch. If Joe can take Roy's shots, he wins going away. A lot of people tell me Roy knows this is his last hurrah and he will win or go out on his shield. To that I say bullshit. If you saw Tarver-Jones III, you know he isn't going to go out there and get it. If the KO doesn't come to Roy, he'll lose a lopsided decision without ever trying.
Is Jones good at fighting moving back or in the clinch? I think he'll be in that situation throughout the fight. He'll need to counter punch effectively.
He's an ok counter puncher. The question is if he is good enough to keep Joe off him. He will need to be prolific and accurate to do so. If he can't do that he literally has 0% chance of winning the fight.
except joes not a very good counter pucnher.. he hasnt got that explosive counter punching style, hes very sloppy and ineffective
are you for real? he is an excellent counter puncher.
this is how i see it.
He aint the roy we used to know. FACT
There have been a few posts on here saying calzaghe has a weak chin. that is not true. he took some good shots of Kessler and stood his ground.
The Hopkins knockdown was a flash knockdown. It happens.
Clazaghe's power aint that good.
Roy has power enough to rock joe but i dont know if he has the legs to beat him down enough to last the 12 rounds.
Roy is properly motivated for this one and i think we will see some of the old Roy. It just depends on how much of the old Roy wee see.
As much as i love Joe i see him being exposed by Roys unorthadox angles and shots but Joe is great at adjusting after a fewrounds, it just depends on how much damage Roy does before Joe adapts to his style.
I see it being a 50/50. I want Roy to win because he is the reason i started watching boxing but i like Joe aswell. I hope its a one Punch K.O by Jones as i would hate to see Calzaghe taking a beatdown
Is Jones good at fighting moving back or in the clinch? I think he'll be in that situation throughout the fight. He'll need to counter punch effectively.
RJ ain't as fast as he used to be, so leadin wit the hook ain't such a good idea. Default weapon of choice for a lefty is the straight right.
except joes not a very good counter pucnher.. he hasnt got that explosive counter punching style, hes very sloppy and ineffective
I think you might be overstating it a touch but I definately agree that the most likely scenario is very similar to the situation you describe.
I'm serious, Roy is going to be dangerous for a few rounds (though obviously not that dangerous as he proved in his last three fights) and then he'll stop landing as Calzaghe adjusts. Then he'll stop throwing as he starts to get countered. Then he's going to be throwing in ones and twos against the rope as Calz windmills away. I don't think it will be quite the same as Manfredo but it's in the same ballpark.