Why all these talk about Kessler?

"kessler?? who is kessler??????" he is skilled but he needs to come to america n quit fighting euro bums you know...Kessler, the "P4P #15" SWM Calzaghe beat. See, you even have to introduce Kessler in reference to Calzaghe.:lol1:

Yeah, Kelly actually punches with power, not slaps - I don't think of JC either. Oh well, I suppose I can descend to your level for a moment. Calzaghe can box, rather than lumbering around the ring like a badly programmed robot. Nah nah nah.

Not really. Yeah, Kelly actually punches with power, not slaps - I don't think of JC either.

I think that was a promotional mistake on the part of Kessler's promoters. They've made a couple. I think Kessler beats Miranda btw. Is Nacho Beristain Kessler's Promoter? :lol1:

None of that really matters. Pavlik-AA is where it's at. I am not a Miranda fan anyways. I like seeing him getting beaten. Even Miranda would beat Kessler. Did Kessler really duck him? :lol1:

Taylor beat Hopkins Miranda beat ?? Pavlik KO Miranda and Taylor in his first go, AA got his jaw broken in his first go Pavlik and Abraham would beat Kessler. Difference is that Abraham will do it with a broken jaw. :lol1:

Kessler is a very good fighter... unfortunately he suffers from that most unfortunate malaise known as Europeanism. Apparently the only known cure is to appear on HBO and fight exclusively in America. He must therefore be ridiculed and derided by those in the know.

Yep, just like Calzaghe...except for handspeed, experience, ring smarts, chin...just like 'em. All joking aside, Pavlik's work rate is beautiful, and like you, it's one of the things I like most about him. It's still somewhat short of Zaggs', but not by much. Another thing he has in common with Joe, is conditioning, which is the primary reason both of these guys have been as successful as they are, what allows them to keep their workrates at the level they are, and what I respect and admire most in both fighters. Other than that, the similarity pretty much ends. I wish, oh, how I wish, that ALL fighters had the dedication and desire to be in as good a condition as these two guys. Don't get me wrong, there are many others who do it (Kessler, Marquez, Mayweather, just to name a few), but there are just as many who figure that if they can keep up for 6 rounds, it's good enough, and that really, really pisses me off. Having been in that sort of condition for a significant portion of my life, I know what it takes to reach, and maintain that plateau, and even if I can't stand the fighter himself (Mayweather, for example), I have assloads of respect for that sort of dedication. And if all fighters worked that hard, the shows we'd see inside the ring would be nothing short of hall of fame quality nearly every night. I was being sarcastic :lol1:

Simple. Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much. LMAO at the suggestion that Abraham's 8 bullshit defenses are better than Taylor's resumé in order to diminish Pavlik's wins. Remember you said that when you're watching Abraham defend against Raul Marquez, who a young contender named Jermain Taylor knocked out back in 2004. Or that AA won the belt in the first place by beating Ikeke, who went on to lose to a suspect Jean Pascal.

I think, in part, that's true. Hopkins' is probably the most significant win, because of his reputation, and being the first US fight for Calzaghe. His most dramatic win, however, and what really woke up the US boxing fans, was Lacy. I don't think Kessler's future performances will mean much to Calzaghe's legacy, in that anything from this point on will be accredited to Kessler's having improved and gained experience after the fact. I think it was a great win, especially considering how amaturish he made Kessler appear (and nobody else on the planet would be able to make him look that clueless), but honestly don't think his future fights will change things much.

I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it? :boxing: Yep, just like Calzaghe...except for handspeed, experience, ring smarts, chin...just like 'em. All joking aside, Pavlik's work rate is beautiful, and like you, it's one of the things I like most about him. It's still somewhat short of Zaggs', but not by much. Another thing he has in common with Joe, is conditioning, which is the primary reason both of these guys have been as successful as they are, what allows them to keep their workrates at the level they are, and what I respect and admire most in both fighters. Other than that, the similarity pretty much ends. I wish, oh, how I wish, that ALL fighters had the dedication and desire to be in as good a condition as these two guys. Don't get me wrong, there are many others who do it (Kessler, Marquez, Mayweather, just to name a few), but there are just as many who figure that if they can keep up for 6 rounds, it's good enough, and that really, really pisses me off. Having been in that sort of condition for a significant portion of my life, I know what it takes to reach, and maintain that plateau, and even if I can't stand the fighter himself (Mayweather, for example), I have assloads of respect for that sort of dedication. And if all fighters worked that hard, the shows we'd see inside the ring would be nothing short of hall of fame quality nearly every night.

I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it? :boxing: Not really.

Simple. Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much. Would Kessler look better if Andrade, who he brilliantly outclassed, took the IBF belt from Bute in Okt.? I like Pavlik because he's very busy inside the ring no matter who is in front of him, he just lets his hands go. Any fighter would have problems facing a fighter with that kind of workrate. Makes you think of Calzaghe's style doesn't it? :boxing:

Simple. Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much. Would Kessler look better if Andrade, who he brilliantly outclassed, took the IBF belt from Bute in Okt.? in all bhop's losses no one has ever beat him comvincingly, and never will. gimme a break. 8 defenses, lol. to mostly a bunch of fuckin bums man. gimme a break. if anything abraham is the one who is overhyped. at least pavlik beat the man, yet abraham has never even had a fight with any of the former champs in bhop or taylor. he has had his strap way longer than anyone should, and had not stepped up toward unification. why is that? maybe because he stayed in germany, and never took the risk? abraham has done dick in reality to say he is better than pavlik, taylor, and bhop. stop reaching just because you like the dude. he is very limited, adn will lose to a top guy!

so taylor beating bhop, or pavlik beating taylor is not as good as what abraham has done? yeah, ok. furthermore, pavlik was given a gift, and taylor robbed in the 2nd fight? what exactly makes abraham so special in regards to pavlik, or taylor? was or is he undisputed? did he beat bhop? or taylor? oh right, he beat miranda. i forgot, i guess that makes him the best. yeah, i think you should find a new hobby, or get better glasses as you are either blind, or incompetent! perhaps both? Simple. Abraham has made 8 defenses of his IBF belt. Kelly recently took the belt from Taylor, who didn't look convincing in his previous against B.Hop ("over the top" as stated by the thread starter). I like Pavlik, and I'd like to see more, but the hype is just to much. Would Kessler look better if Andrade, who he brilliantly outclassed, took the IBF belt from Bute in Okt.?

so taylor beating bhop, or pavlik beating taylor is not as good as what abraham has done? yeah, ok. furthermore, pavlik was given a gift, and taylor robbed in the 2nd fight? what exactly makes abraham so special in regards to pavlik, or taylor? was or is he undisputed? did he beat bhop? or taylor? oh right, he beat miranda. i forgot, i guess that makes him the best. yeah, i think you should find a new hobby, or get better glasses as you are either blind, or incompetent! perhaps both? I like Abraham. Next to Pavlik he's my dude at middleweight, fighting with broken jaw and all...and winning! Wowzer. Taylor...he seems too edgy. Hopkins, I don't like his clinchy style but hey, it works for him.

He's "the Ring #1", meaning either you rate him, or dismiss the entire division.... What I don’t get is the Pavlik hype. I mean the whole Taylor, Pavlik and Hopkins (BH over the top as was pointed out) soap we have seen the last years? Taylors questionable wins over Hopkins and Pavliks gift decision in the rematch against Taylor?? Now what makes Pavlik so damn special? Abraham is the king at MW in my book. so taylor beating bhop, or pavlik beating taylor is not as good as what abraham has done? yeah, ok. furthermore, pavlik was given a gift, and taylor robbed in the 2nd fight? what exactly makes abraham so special in regards to pavlik, or taylor? was or is he undisputed? did he beat bhop? or taylor? oh right, he beat miranda. i forgot, i guess that makes him the best. yeah, i think you should find a new hobby, or get better glasses as you are either blind, or incompetent! perhaps both?

Wait, I like Antonio Tarver partly because he's a southpaw and partly because most people on here hate him. I get a pass on him right? Hmm how strange, I like Tarver too, because he is funny.

I hate AMERICAN BOXERS and I am American. VIVA PANAMA. Häußler that's who he's fighting. Thinks he's all cool with the umlauts and such. Good for you, I hate American boxers too. Haussler is well cool.

It makes me laugh the way Americans call anyone who is a fan of a foreign boxer a homer, all the while being prepared to give credit to Americans.... Kessler is talked about because he is probably the most complete boxer under 30 that exists above middleweight. He shares the honour, along with Pavlik, Taylor, Abraham and Dawson, maybe a few others of being the immediate future of these divisions. Many observers feel that of the boxers I list, Kessler is probably the best. That is why he gets attention. If you are a boxing fan you should understand this completely.