Carl Froch...Most avoided Fighter?? or Overhyped british prospect??

I really think my British friends will realise Froch is hype soon. He will be taken to school. Not by Pascal though. I agree, I'm waiting for him to fight a top fighter and get schooled..

I am not really a Taylor fan, in any way. But I don't hold him not fighting Froch against him. Coming off 2 losses after a long unbeaten streak will take a mental effect, most likely. So going straight into another tough fight is probably a bad move, a tune up is a good idea. Although, after Lacys last fight I don't know why they would chose him.. I dont really hold it against him taking a tune up either. I was just responding to the people who on one hand claim Froch is an unproven nobody who's fought nobody, then on the other hand say that Taylor shouldnt fight him cos he's a nobody. I just hate that contradiction.

Thats exactly what Im saying. They admit that. So how can people say no one is avoiding Froch? I am not really a Taylor fan, in any way. But I don't hold him not fighting Froch against him. Coming off 2 losses after a long unbeaten streak will take a mental effect, most likely. So going straight into another tough fight is probably a bad move, a tune up is a good idea. Although, after Lacys last fight I don't know why they would chose him..

That is a good point, Really I think the Taylor camo are looking for an easy win, over a name oppenent. Lacy is known, he isn't that good but he has a name. And he is an easy win for Taylor, who needs a confidence boost coming off 2 losses. Getting into another tough fight after that isn't a good idea, I think Taylor and Froch will fight, if they both win their next fights :boxing: Thats exactly what Im saying. They admit that. So how can people say no one is avoiding Froch?

He's been getting beaten up by nobodies in his recent fights scraping wins. Whereas Froch has been knocking nobodies out. That is a good point, Really I think the Taylor camo are looking for an easy win, over a name oppenent. Lacy is known, he isn't that good but he has a name. And he is an easy win for Taylor, who needs a confidence boost coming off 2 losses. Getting into another tough fight after that isn't a good idea, I think Taylor and Froch will fight, if they both win their next fights :boxing:

I'm not trying to knock your info, but this doesn't make sense. Froch is unproven so why would you consider Taylor as taking an easier fight? Who is Froch fighting for the WBC title anyway? And Lacy is proven? Getting the shit kicked out of him for 12 rounds by Calzaghe doesnt mean he's proven. He's been getting beaten up by nobodies in his recent fights scraping wins. Whereas Froch has been knocking nobodies out. The point Im making is that Taylor and Di Bella admit Froch is a harder fight. Anyone who knows anything realises Froch is the harder fight. So I dont understand what you're asking. Froch is probably gonna fight Jean Pascal for the WBC Title now.

That is not a good enough reason to avoid a fight for me. Was money an issue? Why would Taylor take that fight with Froch, is it for the title? He and his promoter admit they are taking an easier fight against Lacy for more money. Dunno why people are acting like he's making megabucks against Lacy, it'll be more than Froch but not by that much. The Froch fight would've been for the WBC Title.

does it matter Just wondering :luvbed:

Why didn't you post that on your normal account?. does it matter

I think he deserves a chance at fighting one of the top guys, though I don't think he's anything exceptional. He has decent power but he's so wide open, someone with straight punches and a consistent jab will give him a lot of trouble. Someone like Mikkel Kessler would be too much. It's premature to say anyone is ducking him because in all honesty, beating him wouldn't prove much because of his lack of big name opponents or American exposure. Similar to when Phillip N'Dou was beaten by Mayweather, no one knew who N'Dou was though he had a solid record so the win was brushed aside. Froch should fight someone like Edison Miranda who the public knows as a breakout fight. Until then he's still anonymous.

found it... Why didn't you post that on your normal account? I more or less totally agree, though I've seen quite a lot of Abraham fights and if memory serves me correctly his showing in Miranda II was one of his more extreme "wait, wait EXPLODE" performances. He definitely has more to him than that, he'll both box and brawl with you if neccessary and he has quite nice Cotto-ish movement and knowledge of when to attack and when to back off. I've only seen his last couple of fights, and the first Miranda fight. As I said, I am not really impressed by him, He is a good fighter an all. I'm just not much of a fan tbh.

I have not seen a lot of Abraham, but what I have seen....well I don't like him a lot. He seems to just shell up loads and then explode with his power shots. I think Kessler would out work him to a UD. Abraham wouldn't be able to just catch Kessler with his shots like he has against the other guys I seen him fight, Kessler has a pretty good defense. I more or less totally agree, though I've seen quite a lot of Abraham fights and if memory serves me correctly his showing in Miranda II was one of his more extreme "wait, wait EXPLODE" performances. He definitely has more to him than that, he'll both box and brawl with you if neccessary and he has quite nice Cotto-ish movement and knowledge of when to attack and when to back off.

This is very interesting to me, because you guys aren't all nuthugging, America hating fanatics like myself, this is actually the first time I've heard you really talking about how highly you rate these boxers. In particular I'm quite surprised by T's low opinion of Taylor, I had you down as a 'go with the flow' kind of guy, i didn't really expect you to hold controversial opinions, no offense intended at all. My own view is that Jermain Taylor gets an awful lot of mileage out of his Hopkins wins, though is clearly a credible top level boxer, and as a result Pavlik gets far too much mileage out of his pair of victories over Taylor. I don't know what you guys think, but in particular I find the 'Pavlik is far more proven and has achieved more than Kessler' argument to be borderline ludicrous. At the end of the day its close between them, Kessler was a double world champion ages ago, beating guys better than everyone but Taylor on Pav's resume. One win, over one opponent, no matter how supposedly great (and in Taylor's case this is arguable) is not enough to say one guy is more accomplished than another when that other guy has held more titles, defended them more times and effectively cleared out his division. To think so requires us to view boxing in a distorted fashion. Another thing about this is that it is not even clear that Pavlik is the best MW. He beat the man who beat the man sure, but its a little different when the original man was getting a bit old for his weight class and the man you beat has at least questionable ability. I would use a similar argument about Calzaghe at LHW, has he really proven himself to be the best LHW? I certainly don't think so. At the end of the day since winning the title Pavlik has defended it once, against a B-level fighter. How does that prove you are the best fighter ina division, especially when somone like Abraham shares it with you. Abraham was hugely impressive in his KO win over Miranda. If we're talking about ranking the two guys, I'd insert Taylor anywhere from 2 - 5 at SMW, the only thing clear there is that Kessler is #1. With Pavlik he can keep his #1 rank at MW, but I wouldn't have him in my P4P top ten at all. Beating Jermain Taylor alone is not good enough for that. Look at someone like Nonito Donaire, he handed much decorated and undefeated Vic Darchinyan his first loss and only makes the fringes. The same should happen to Kelly Pavlik until he fights and beats more quality boxers. Beating one opponent is a victory, not a resume. I know I'll likely get accused of all kinds of bias for this post, but its really what i think, and if you notice, I don't strongly come down in favour of any fighter, my views are actually more of a complaint about doing exactly that. I didn't read this but I bet Calzaghe's name is mentioned. Actually, it wasn't. found it...

I agree. I don't know if Abrahams style would be very suitable for fighting Kessler. You can't do your turtle explosion if your opponent keeps hitting you and getting out of range again, which is what I think Kessler would do. I have not seen a lot of Abraham, but what I have seen....well I don't like him a lot. He seems to just shell up loads and then explode with his power shots. I think Kessler would out work him to a UD. Abraham wouldn't be able to just catch Kessler with his shots like he has against the other guys I seen him fight, Kessler has a pretty good defense.

That would be a very good fight, one that could go either way really. Who do you think would take it? I think Kessler may take it by Decision. I agree. I don't know if Abrahams style would be very suitable for fighting Kessler. You can't do your turtle explosion if your opponent keeps hitting you and getting out of range again, which is what I think Kessler would do.

If Kessler vs. Calzaghe did poor in the states AA vs. Kess. would likely do worse. I think it would set record breakingly low numbers. I doubt America's appetite for clashes between German-Armenians and Danes. However, since everyone involved is already richer than I will ever be, I don't care. Lets get Abraham out of the way so Kessler can fight Pavlik! Short term sacrifice for long term gain. Also, kessler should sign with golden boy or something, I bet they would love to have him. You should tell him Bat. :rofl:

I just realised the perfect fight for Kessler is Arthur Abraham, on HBO. Abraham is already halfway to fighting Pavlik so Kessler should just twat him. That would force the issue somewhat. Also, they could call it "The War In Europe" or some shit. That would be a very good fight, one that could go either way really. Who do you think would take it? I think Kessler may take it by Decision.

I just realised the perfect fight for Kessler is Arthur Abraham, on HBO. Abraham is already halfway to fighting Pavlik so Kessler should just twat him. That would force the issue somewhat. Also, they could call it "The War In Europe" or some shit. If Kessler vs. Calzaghe did poor in the states AA vs. Kess. would likely do worse.

its funny how you say that but if someone mentions calzaghe fighting jones over pavlik for money then everybody kicks off. Joe fights for legacy as well and is near the end.

I think Kessler is over-all a better fighter than Kelly Pavlik. Maybe Kelly edges it in Heart and Power (I havn't seen Kessler fight through any real trouble, If I am wrong let me know). He is better technically, and is a very good boxer, I think he needs to step up to get big exposure sometime soon, and fight a big name in the (I hate to say it..) US. Someone like Miranda would have been very good, but after being KTFO by Abraham, he needs to find someone else. I just realised the perfect fight for Kessler is Arthur Abraham, on HBO. Abraham is already halfway to fighting Pavlik so Kessler should just twat him. That would force the issue somewhat. Also, they could call it "The War In Europe" or some shit.