So now all of a sudden fighting Clottey is "cherry picking" and "playing it safe"?

How about something like really inflammatory. It will be like the Japanese invasion of the Phillipines in World War 2 (watch xcaret and viva look that shit up for their master's thesis or something) I'd love to see Pac win and ko Oscar, it ain't happening though. Oscar by brutal scary ko. Pac loses all body control and soils his drawers. As he is loaded into the ambulance, a sad nurse wipes his soiled drawers and privates with a baby wipe. A Pinoy tear falls upon Manny's body which is succumbing to rigor mortis. I better shut up. I am making myself sick at this point. mexicans didn't have the balls to take on japan in ww2! :D you're wrong , jreck! blasphemy! manny ud12 over oscar. manny tko11 over oscar if oscar is weight drained. :D

The Margarito/Clottey fight is still a good fight to be honest but it wouldnt look good for rito if he gets paid less than he would have made against Williams..

thats true but why do most of his top boxer leave him money. when they leave it's after arum already made them stars. they generally don't leave for another promoter. they end up promoting themself mostly.

arum is the best promoter in the business. top rank > golden boy > king thats true but why do most of his top boxer leave him

The central point I think in all of this is if a fight doesn't get made, we can all blame Arum. He fucked it up with Mayweather, I think it would be tragic if he fucked it up with Margs too. He seems to be the lightning rod for all that goes wrong. I could not imagine Bob Arum is an easy man to work with. Imagine making a deal with Bob Arum, it would be constanly trying to figure out how he was trying to fuck you and get over on you (and that is if he is working on your side). As an opposing promoter trying to work with Arum and get a fair deal, shit that might be promoter hell.

I want Margs, and any other fighter to make as much as they can in this game since they do not receive a pension. People called Floyd a coward, and for what? You see my point? Floyd did not take on the main contenders at welter, that's a fact. I think anyone who calls a pro boxer a coward over the internet is a bit of an idiot but it does remain a fact. Granted Margs is not taking on his main contender in his next fight but Clottey is still a decent contender and unless Margs goes through all of 09 without going for Williams it's far too early to be criticising him.

The central point I think in all of this is if a fight doesn't get made, we can all blame Arum. He fucked it up with Mayweather, I think it would be tragic if he fucked it up with Margs too. He seems to be the lightning rod for all that goes wrong. arum is the best promoter in the business. top rank > golden boy > king

After all the shit these same people said about how if it wasn't for the hand injury, Clottey would have "whooped his ass"? do you guys not read your own tripe? First it was, "Clottey was DESTROYING Margarito untill he hurt his hand, Margarito was lucky". Then it was, "Margarito is scared because he wont give Clottey the rematch". Now its, "Margarito is playing it safe by fighting Clottey" Margarito hasn't even had ONE payday fight yet fans of a certain fighter who's had 2 which were paths of less resistance (and was on the way to be 3) are crying foul? hahahahahahahahah *pause* this is the price for being on top

btw , boof. i know rankings can be influenced by money but not the ring rankings. no one fights for ring belts or to get up in ring rankings. the only bias involve in ring rankings is in the writer's votes. i'd rather have rankings with a personal bias than a financial one.

what's the difference between manny making his money and ending up not to fight guzman or nate or juan from floyd taking the money and not fighting miguel or marg? see......it works both ways. Excellent post, but one thing. They called Floyd a coward. I do believe rankings can be influenced, and it doesn't have to be by GBP. Arum and King have proven this time and time again lol. wll that's them. i don't call floyd a coward. i think he was very cautious at 140 and up but wouldn't call him a coward. he's not afraid to fight i just think he weighs the risk with the reward (money). everyone does that. i know i'm considered a floydhater because i joke around about him but i don't question his skills. i just don't rate him as highly as others. calling him pussy or coward is over the top unless it's just in jest.

What the fuck is a knickle?? How dare you think you can debate boof?? He actually comprehends boxing. Even Margarito fans don't respect you or your alt lmao @ this bastid still here. we'll see where you are if williams loses again.

That's a good one. How about it's like playing scrabble with a 6 year old kid who doesn't speak English (just knows hello, how are you?) the 6 yr. old kid ain't gonna put down anything but "bum" , "fatass" , "red k" and "ignore"? you still haven't posted your prediction on manny-oscar in my thread , jreck...... i want sig material for when manny wins. :D

Why would you want to see a Shane-Margs fight anyway eben if it was only a pay day. Would you order tha ppv? I'm not advocating that fight, just trying to look at how Marg might see a lot more than 4m coming his way if he holds tight and doesn't risk it all against Williams straight away. I do hope the fight happens some time next year and I think it will.

Left, I'm not getting on you. I don't ever want fighters to fight for the Ring mag title. It is phony, and the title is fake to me. Long before Dlh bought the magazine or part of it, they wanted to involve themselves in the sport by inventing this Ring title. We need true world rankings or we will only get to see the bull we are watching now which is money fights. i like the ring. no matter who owns it. no one fights for the ring belt they just award it. rankings can't be influenced by sanctioning fees or bribes either. ring has no interest in what fights will make the most money. (unless you're a conspiracy theorist that thinks GBP will influence the ring editors. which i am not one of) fighters will always go for the money you know that. that's why when i see pac nuthuggers like say joartcc criticize floyd i laugh. if manny fights oscar and ricky more than likely he's gonna retire. what's the difference between manny making his money and ending up not to fight guzman or nate or juan from floyd taking the money and not fighting miguel or marg? see......it works both ways.

Corny ass...every time you post a sorry thread taking shots at Floyd and Williams...which are bogus 10 times over, I'll be here if I'm here to exlax on your pathetic outlook on boxing. Mexicans should flog you for that corny ass joke clown. you couldnt exlax on your own toilet you fake ass clown. how you actually think your opinion is respected is beyond me. your perception on objectivity is as warped as your perception of what a beautiful women looks like. when u make a thread criticizing floyd's inability to put on a quality fight after moving up to welter, then we can talk. but for now, keep selling your sticks faqqot.

What if the next fight is for less than 4 mil? Anything thing can happen. Margs could lose to Clottey and Williams can lose...The thing is Margs can lose to Williams again, and still make money. Shane did, Dlh did, many fighters have. then if that happened he'd have made the wrong decision but we'll see. I think. I think he beats Clottey for a fairly decent pay day then either goes for Mosley (as you say) which would probably be for a lot more and if he were to take Williams and the 4m now and lose that would ruin the Mosley fights chances of happening (or being so big) then he can always go back and look at Williams after Mosley if he wants.

Yeah, and the thread starter is a total clown with a fiction topic. Go lick your Cotto wounds phony... lmao 2501 and his battles with boof. classic. i wish i had a rival. the best i could hope for is wladowns. having wladowns as your rival is like fighting my 6 yr. old nephew in halo......

Yeah, and the thread starter is a total clown with a fiction topic. Go lick your Cotto wounds phony... shut the fuck up ya bitch, no one gives a fuck what you have to say. you're like that lil retarded kid that sells sticks on the bridge coming back from Mexico. people keep giving you knickles because they feel sorry for you.

Left, Ring mag rankings can be toileted. i know. i'm not saying it's always right. but from a historical pov it's the best we can go for. i'm not gonna list like 4-5 lists from 4-5 different sources. ring works for me.

Floyd fought and beat 3 guys on that list. i know he did. but i said since he won the linear belt. when he won the linear belt 2 years ago he never fought a single person on that list.