What does the Roy Jones of TODAY need to do to beat Calzaghe.

we'll see. i consider you a credible poster, you don't bother me. I believe you know what your talking about. I do know what I'm talking about, but by the same token, I'm wrong sometimes, too. Not as often anymore, but it happens. The more I run an upcoming fight through my head and study it, though, the more likely I am to be right, and I've see alot of both Jones and Calzaghe that I'd say I'm likely to be right by probably 85% or better. The Vitali/Sam Peter fight, I'll say I'm about 95& likely to be right (Calling for a KO win by Klitchko). As for Manny/Oscar, that's 100%, Oscar can't lose unless he throws it on purpose. But hell, you never know...I might miss all three of these in a row. Never happened before, but there's a first time for everything.

I think he probably was, I always heard he was a good boy in the gym, but there's a difference between training hard, and conditioning yourself like I'm talking about. It's an entire new level. I ran 5 miles a day (or more) every morning for most of my military service, and even that didn't give me the kind of conditioning I'd need to swing like Zaggs does for 12. we'll see. i consider you a credible poster, you don't bother me. I believe you know what your talking about.

roy isn't really hollywood though. hes an outdoors guy. he like horses, fishing stuff like that. He lives on a farm. I watched Calzaghe against hopkins and kessler and he wasn't throwing thousands of punches. Unless I missed them...I watched those fights a while ago.

roy was running in the mountains for Tito. I always heard roy was gym rat with no bad habits such as drinking/smoking. maybe i'm wrong... It's not really about Roy doing anything wrong, but when was the last time Roy threw Calzaghe volume punches in a fight? It's just not his game, which has always been about speed and skill. Calzaghe has to be doing something to enable him to have that high a workrate, which may be the highest that weight range has ever seen. If you ever see a video of Calzaghe training, its always him running the hills near his shitty gym in Wales. Truly, I cannot imagine Roy doing the same down and dirty hard work training, he's a global superstar, and to back it up I would simply ask whether Roy has ever exhibited the kind of workrate and stamina Joe does routinely, just as I would ask whether I've ever seen Calzaghe throw punches and move with the flair exhinbited by Jones.

roy was running in the mountains for Tito. I always heard roy was gym rat with no bad habits such as drinking/smoking. maybe i'm wrong... I think he probably was, I always heard he was a good boy in the gym, but there's a difference between training hard, and conditioning yourself like I'm talking about. It's an entire new level. I ran 5 miles a day (or more) every morning for most of my military service, and even that didn't give me the kind of conditioning I'd need to swing like Zaggs does for 12.

No idea, but a good way to do it is to run 7 to 10 miles a day. Only problem with that is you wear out your joints doing it. Swimming is better, but then you have to have a nice sized pool. roy better start swimming then...lol

wow. I wonder what he does, do you know? No idea, but a good way to do it is to run 7 to 10 miles a day. Only problem with that is you wear out your joints doing it. Swimming is better, but then you have to have a nice sized pool.

roy was running in the mountains for Tito. I always heard roy was gym rat with no bad habits such as drinking/smoking. maybe i'm wrong...

You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is. I would say that I cannot imagine RJJ running up and down hills in the way that Calzaghe does. Like you say, Roy has always been in shape, but I get the impression Joe focusses on that more than anything else maybe?

You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is. wow. I wonder what he does, do you know?

I don't think I've ever heard someone question Roy's conditioning. His legs arn't there because hes older. You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is.

I don't think I've ever heard someone question Roy's conditioning. His legs arn't there because hes older.

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights... Far from infallible, just not going into the ring against someone with the answers to his abilities. Five years ago, yes, I'd pick Roy by decision, but then that isn't now, is it? He's lost a little speed, a little reaction time, but mostly his conditioning isn't what it used to be, and to be honest, I don't think Roy has ever been in the kind of shape Calzaghe has always been in. He's never slacked in training, really, I just don't think he ever spent as much time on conditioning as Zaggs does. Hell, maybe Joe comes by it naturally, I dunno.

It depends on how judges score the fights. It seems sometimes the judges side with the one landed the harder/cleaner punches. Other times they go with aggression. I'm not Calzaghe isn't great, I believe he is. I just don't like it when people act like Jones has no chance at winning. I mean Calzaghe is great but Roy has a shot.

And you could very well be right. I've only been in a boxing ring a couple of times, but I do understand. Combat training in the military doesn't really relate, nothing is the same. I did, though, spend a large part of my youth in fist fights, and while that's not quite the same either, the principle is...if you're getting hit, it's hard to hit back. We'll have to wait and see if Roy can keep Zaggs off him. Remember, Calzaghe is close to Roy's speed, throws from all angles, is a southpaw, has an awkward style, and is like the eveready bunny...keeps throwing and throwing and throwing...if Roy can deal with that without being forced to match the workrate, then you'll turn out to be right and Zaggs might well lose his zero. If he can't (and I don't think he can), it'll play out pretty much like I've said. :lol1: true.....i like how you put that, this fight has a lot of variables and depending on which play out and who shows up on either side of the ring will determine the winner. all in all tho, I CANT WAIT FOR THE FIGHT!!!! im def excited and its one im really looking forward too........may even turn out to be fight of the year if both of them come with their A game. but i'll say this......this ones a lil too close for me to put points up on it, at least for now.

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights... I see what you're saying, anyone can be beaten, but if I had to defend the 'infallible Calzaghe' position, I would just say that when you have a boxer who always outworks his opponent, is aggressive and is very tough to stop you have a recipe for victory. How does Calzaghe lose a decision? To mitigate my Calzaghe love-in though, I will say this. A huge part of Calzaghe's ability to work so hard and be so agressive has been his strength and chin. At SMW he has usually been tougher and stronger than his opponent, able to take their best shots and keep coming. I'm not sure that against a really good LHW he would be able to rely on these factors anything like as much, we maybe saw him at disadvantage in this regard against Hopkins. Calzaghe isn't invincible, he's just a pretty good fighting machine at his chosen weight.

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights...

thats where i disagree......i think if Roy comes in there with the same arsenal he came in with in the Tito fight Joes not going to have a chance to build his usual workrate. like Reed mentioned earlier.......with Joe getting countered back and hit so often he's not going to be able to get off like he usually does. i'm not sure if you've ever boxed before but speaking from experience its true......if your getting hit or countered you have to adjust your game plan or get stopped. and I think Roy has the arsenal and ability to do just that. And you could very well be right. I've only been in a boxing ring a couple of times, but I do understand. Combat training in the military doesn't really relate, nothing is the same. I did, though, spend a large part of my youth in fist fights, and while that's not quite the same either, the principle is...if you're getting hit, it's hard to hit back. We'll have to wait and see if Roy can keep Zaggs off him. Remember, Calzaghe is close to Roy's speed, throws from all angles, is a southpaw, has an awkward style, and is like the eveready bunny...keeps throwing and throwing and throwing...if Roy can deal with that without being forced to match the workrate, then you'll turn out to be right and Zaggs might well lose his zero. If he can't (and I don't think he can), it'll play out pretty much like I've said.

Oh for God's sake. Jones is shot. Calzaghe is going to beat him. Thats it. He is still faster and stronger than his next opponent. RJJ by UD or late KO. JC is aged and going downhill as well. A hungry RJJ is all we need to see the end of JC.

Banking on a Manfredo moment? No, I'm actually (officially) predicting a Calzaghe UD to be the most likely outcome by far. Enough about that: Tito Trinidad is smaller framed than Roy, not necessarily shorter. It shows in his reach, to a small extent, you'd probably also find that Roy wears maybe a 10 1/2 shoe or bigger, and Tito maybe a 9 1/2? I'm 6'2", and wear a size 13, a buddy of mine is 6'3" and wears a 10 1/2, and I could break him in two, even though we're roughly the same weight. That's what I mean by bigger. Roy could've never made Welterweight with his frame, barely made light middle as a kid, I think, though I'm not even positive about this. And with a larger frame, comes strength and durability. And it's because of this size difference, as well as an accumulation of punches that Tito ended up on his shorts a couple times during that fight. Roy was landing on Tito from nearly every angle imaginable, lead rights, outside hooks, uppercuts, you name it he landed it, but I'll say again...very few of his punches had any real steam on them. And there's nothing wrong with that, I'd probably have done the same were I, he. I'm just saying that when he fights Calzaghe he's going to have to up his work rate to Calzaghe's level just to have a solid chance at a victory, or he's going to have to jump Joe's ass early, before he hits his stride, and try his damnedest to take him out. The problem with getting his work rate up that high is that he'll get gassed, and probably hurt badly or TKO'd late. The problem with jumping Joe early and going for a KO early is basically the same...if he burns up that kind of energy early, he's going to gas late and be in serious trouble. I have massive doubt as to whether Roy can achieve the level of conditioning he'll need against Zaggs to win a UD. Not saying it's impossible, just that I think it's highly unlikely, and that's his only real problem coming into his fight. If it weren't for that, I'd say that this fight could be a coin toss with Roy the favorite by maybe 10% or more. Without that level of conditioning, he's a huge underdog to win, and even a slight underdog to finish on his feet, in my book. As for Tito's skill level...about that we're just going to have to disagree. Don't get me wrong, pal, I enjoyed watching Tito fight...almost always exciting, but I never had any illusion about his level of skill. He could be easily outboxed, but he carried the great equalizer in both hands, and just enough skill and handspeed to make sure he'd connect with enough solid punches to introduce his opponents to the canvas. Failing that, he could at least keep them afraid of getting within reach. You've got to remember, he almost never had to outbox anyone. He has over 40 fights, and I think 35 KO's. that's well over 80% KO's. Most hard punching heavyweights don't boast that sort of KO ratio, and that's why Tito has always been such a great draw. That, and his home country fan base. thats where i disagree......i think if Roy comes in there with the same arsenal he came in with in the Tito fight Joes not going to have a chance to build his usual workrate. like Reed mentioned earlier.......with Joe getting countered back and hit so often he's not going to be able to get off like he usually does. i'm not sure if you've ever boxed before but speaking from experience its true......if your getting hit or countered you have to adjust your game plan or get stopped. and I think Roy has the arsenal and ability to do just that.