Official Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao Thread

in what way its almost even Yes, but read the comments, for example: ¨I don't think of anyone that picked Pacquiao as intelligent. It actually made very little sense that Pacquiao won that fight. Regardless of what people want to act like they knew going in, this was an upset. A huge upset. The biggest of the year.¨ - DiegoFuego

Bump from hell to make you think about Pac´s greatness. in what way its almost even

Bump from hell to make you think about Pac´s greatness.

Just pointing out the obvious fact that members of a public internet boxing forum, and professional boxing handicappers probably think a bit differently.

Odds for the Mayweather - De La Hoya fight were close to -300 for Floyd. And I beg to differ. You make it seem like people who are putting money on these fights are totally oblivious to the sport. Thats a ridiculous assumption, and I personally don't know anyone dumb enough to be blindly like that, especially with odds that weren't very outrageous in terms of winning, unlike the Hopkins-Pavlik fight where Hop was something like a 4-1 dog. Well, Hopkins-Pavlik was not a superfight regardless of what Top Rank or Goldenboy tells you. Mayweather-De La Hoya was a superfight and the odds may have opened at -300 for Floyd or were at some point, but I seriously doubt those were the odds when that bell rang or even a few days before the fight. More than 50% of this forum alone thought Oscar would win. I remember the polls from BEFORE the fight, and they were fairly heavily in Oscar's favor at about 60-40.

Name one superfight that wasn't close in betting terms. You do realize that most bets come from people who don't even follow boxing, right? And what did HBO do to promote this fight? Put out a 24/7 I have friends who watch 24/7 and that is all they know about boxing. 24/7 could make a fight between me and Mayweather look competitive. It's called good editing, writing and promoting. Odds for the Mayweather - De La Hoya fight were close to -300 for Floyd. And I beg to differ. You make it seem like people who are putting money on these fights are totally oblivious to the sport. Thats a ridiculous assumption, and I personally don't know anyone dumb enough to be blindly like that, especially with odds that weren't very outrageous in terms of winning, unlike the Hopkins-Pavlik fight where Hop was something like a 4-1 dog.

$200 on the straight up. $100 on the 9th round KO...also had good odds...but obviously lost this bet. Didn't matter tho. ..and the big one.. $100 on the 8th round KO...honestly I copy & pasted this bet with my buddy because it had some ridiculous odds, which were 15-1. ^That bet made my trip. :boxing: Crazy thing is...I'm not even much of a gambler...believe it or not I didn't so much as put a penny in a slot machine my entire weekend in Vegas. Nice. :439: 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

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MOREBASS, how much real cash did you put down? I wish I'd put real cash money down on this one instead of stupid forum points. $200 on the straight up. $100 on the 9th round KO...also had good odds...but obviously lost this bet. Didn't matter tho. ..and the big one.. $100 on the 8th round KO...honestly I copy & pasted this bet with my buddy because it had some ridiculous odds, which were 15-1. ^That bet made my trip. :boxing: Crazy thing is...I'm not even much of a gambler...believe it or not I didn't so much as put a penny in a slot machine my entire weekend in Vegas.

LOL @ you not truly believing anyone truly thought that Pacquiao was going to win that fight. Do you realize why the betting lines were so close ? Its because MANY people felt that Manny would win the fight, and put their money where their mouths were. Myself included. Name one superfight that wasn't close in betting terms. You do realize that most bets come from people who don't even follow boxing, right? And what did HBO do to promote this fight? Put out a 24/7 I have friends who watch 24/7 and that is all they know about boxing. 24/7 could make a fight between me and Mayweather look competitive. It's called good editing, writing and promoting.

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Your logic is very similar to the good old ' I wasn't myself in there tonight...' excuse from many fighters. Of course he's not going to look like he did against completely different fighters. This makes no sense. Did the Patriots look like they did in their previous 16 games against the Giants in last year's Superbowl ? Of course not ! And it has more to do with what The Giants did than anything. People fail to realize simple things like this. I am giving Pacquiao for winning the fight as easily as he did. I think he's a better fighter than Oscar and should be rated much higher all time, so I think that throws out the Patriots analogy. I still think Oscar should have won that fight. By giving up his size advantage, he basically gave the fight away. But if his reflexes were gone anyway (other than trying to make weight), then so be it. It would be hard to say unless we saw him fight again at 154. This fight makes me uncomfortable because I am a huge Pacquiao fan believe it or not. I followed him since he fought on the Lewis-Tyson undercard and picked him to beat Barrera back in 2003. I want to give him all the credit in the world for this, but it's a combination of things that led to the outcome, and one of them is that De La Hoya is either shot or killed his chances with the weight. And for the record, I absolutely hate the "I wasn't myself tonight" excuse from fighters. But you can't argue that De La Hoya never even looked like he was capable of fighting on Dec 6.

LOL @ you not truly believing anyone truly thought that Pacquiao was going to win that fight. Do you realize why the betting lines were so close ? Its because MANY people felt that Manny would win the fight, and put their money where their mouths were. Myself included.

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I wouldn't mind if people picked Pacquiao on the basis that they thought Oscar was shot, but nobody was saying that. Most people who picked Pacquiao thought he could school a 154lb Oscar (not mentioning that he was shot or anything). That's not what happened at all. He whooped what looked like either a weight drained or shot De La Hoya who looked nothing like the guy who fought Floyd a year and a half ago. Your logic is very similar to the good old ' I wasn't myself in there tonight...' excuse from many fighters. Of course he's not going to look like he did against completely different fighters. This makes no sense. Did the Patriots look like they did in their previous 16 games against the Giants in last year's Superbowl ? Of course not ! And it has more to do with what The Giants did than anything. People fail to realize simple things like this.

Because speed and reflexes are what tend to diminish most in aging fighters. That's fine, but where was your proof that Oscar's speed and reflexes had diminished? Maybe his reflexes were a bit off against Forbes but definitely not against Mayweather. And it didn't matter if Oscar couldn't KO Forbes. Forbes has an amazing chin and has been fighting around 140 and up for years. Pacquiao just got to 135 6 months ago. AND Pacquiao had been rocked bad by Marquez of all people who doesn't even hit with any power. All the signs pointed to an Oscar victory, so I still don't buy that anyone truly and honestly thought Pacquiao would win that fight. And if they did, not many were mentioning that they thought Oscar would be shot.

I wouldn't mind if people picked Pacquiao on the basis that they thought Oscar was shot, but nobody was saying that. Most people who picked Pacquiao thought he could school a 154lb Oscar (not mentioning that he was shot or anything). That's not what happened at all. He whooped what looked like either a weight drained or shot De La Hoya who looked nothing like the guy who fought Floyd a year and a half ago.

How could you tell he had diminished speed and reflexes? The Forbes fight? Because he looked great in the Mayweather fight and fought as well as he ever could have against Floyd. I didn't put a lot of merit in the Forbes fight because Oscar had nothing to get up for. It was Steve Forbes... Because speed and reflexes are what tend to diminish most in aging fighters.

It actually made a lot of sense. We knew coming into the fight that Manny had a huge advantage in the speed department. You can't hit what you can't catch. The thing is, at this point in Oscar's career...his most diminished physical attributes are his speed and his reflexes. So, if his speed is gone, how could he ever hit Manny ? and... If his reflexes were shot...how could he get out of the way of any of Manny's punches ? It really wasn't that difficult. How could you tell he had diminished speed and reflexes? The Forbes fight? Because he looked great in the Mayweather fight and fought as well as he ever could have against Floyd. I didn't put a lot of merit in the Forbes fight because Oscar had nothing to get up for. It was Steve Forbes...

I don't think of anyone that picked Pacquiao as intelligent. It actually made very little sense that Pacquiao won that fight. Regardless of what people want to act like they knew going in, this was an upset. A huge upset. The biggest of the year. A 154lber losing...by stoppage to a 130lber. That shit is not supposed to happen in boxing. Ever. I've actually dropped Oscar far far far down my ATG list because of this and boosted Pacquiao sky high. It actually made a lot of sense. We knew coming into the fight that Manny had a huge advantage in the speed department. You can't hit what you can't catch. The thing is, at this point in Oscar's career...his most diminished physical attributes are his speed and his reflexes. So, if his speed is gone, how could he ever hit Manny ? and... If his reflexes were shot...how could he get out of the way of any of Manny's punches ? It really wasn't that difficult.