Honestly, I don't think any can;
David Haye: Although we have not seen him at heavyweight yet (I don't care about Bonin, he was shit), I think he is just to open to beat Wlad, he would have to be agressive early and would have to take shots to land some. And with his chin, I don't see him taking the shots.. If he had a good chin, maybe, But he doesn't his chin is very bad. Wlad might be cautious early to avoid being caught by a big shot from Haye but i see him winning by stoppage.
Samuel Peter: Wlad already beat him, beyond any doubt. And of the 3 knockdowns, only one should be counted anyway. You may say that Peter was green at the time, Wlad wasn't long off his loss to Brewster so was lower in confidence than he would be going into a rematch. I say Wlad wins a wide ass UD or late stoppage in a rematch
Ruslan Chagaev: Chagaev might cause Wlad some problems, But i think Wlad would just control the fight with his jab, similar to the Ibragimov fight. Chagaev has a good chin, so i don't know about a KO, but i am sure Wlad would win it.
Nicolay Valuev: After seeing Valuev-Ruiz 2, I doubt Valuev would do very well. He is a big guy (Bigger than Wlad) and has a good jab, but no power to worry him, and Ruiz rocked him with a right hand. I don't see him taking a right hand or left hook from Wlad.
Alexander Povetkin: Right now, I think he is just to green and way to open to right hands to make it 12 with Wlad, let alone beat him..
Sultan Ibragimov: Already beat him, I think a rematch would be pretty much the same except Wlad would probably step it up at some point and maybe stop Iggy
And so on...
Really, I can't see any heavyweight right now beating Wlad. Thoughts?
He's the best no doubt but undisputed? Big difference there. You gotta beat the best to be the best and who has Wlad beat? A legit win over Peter is his only good opponent in last 6 years. Brock had a padded record, Thompson was an old man, Ibragimov? Dude never beat no one, Austin? Weak Chin Byrd? The revenge fight with Brewster wasn't his fault that Brewster didn't give a shit but still dude chooses for a voluntary fight a guy who's been outta work for 15 months?? Tells u what kind of champ he is.
jesus christ you are an idiot....
He's the best no doubt but undisputed? Big difference there. You gotta beat the best to be the best and who has Wlad beat? A legit win over Peter is his only good opponent in last 6 years. Brock had a padded record, Thompson was an old man, Ibragimov? Dude never beat no one, Austin? Weak Chin Byrd? The revenge fight with Brewster wasn't his fault that Brewster didn't give a shit but still dude chooses for a voluntary fight a guy who's been outta work for 15 months?? Tells u what kind of champ he is.
This is the dumbest post Ive read today.
I think Haye would destroy Wlad if he just had a better chin.
The fact he doesnt means Haye vs Wlad could go either way
IF...
If doesn't count, because if Wlad would have his brothers chin and killer instinct every version of Haye would get a proper treatment.
The only "active" heavyweight who could beat Wlad is his brother. Vitali had and maybe still has everything to do it, but we know that this fight won't happen.
Klitschko could get Khan'ed by anybody if they had a really good day and Klitschko was not on his game. By that, I mean anybody in the top 50. Sanders was not a great fighter, nor was Brewster, and everyone knows that Ross Purity was nothing special.
Klitschko is probably still the best heavyweight because of consistency, but if he has an off day and the guy across the ring is feeling confident, he's in trouble.
He's the best no doubt but undisputed? Big difference there. You gotta beat the best to be the best and who has Wlad beat? A legit win over Peter is his only good opponent in last 6 years. Brock had a padded record, Thompson was an old man, Ibragimov? Dude never beat no one, Austin? Weak Chin Byrd? The revenge fight with Brewster wasn't his fault that Brewster didn't give a shit but still dude chooses for a voluntary fight a guy who's been outta work for 15 months?? Tells u what kind of champ he is.
also why the hell does the purity loss even matter any more? klitschko had not even made a mainstream name for himself back then. so what he gased in the 11th? fighters can learn from their mistakes.... no one talks about JMM's loss in his pro debut do they? some shit needs to be let go, wladimir is on a TOTALLY different level now than he was then.
Klitschko could get Khan'ed by anybody if they had a really good day and Klitschko was not on his game. By that, I mean anybody in the top 50. Sanders was not a great fighter, nor was Brewster, and everyone knows that Ross Purity was nothing special.
Klitschko is probably still the best heavyweight because of consistency, but if he has an off day and the guy across the ring is feeling confident, he's in trouble.
that goes for any fighter... if you are off, you usually lose.
sanders wasnt a great fighter, but people kind of underestimate how hard he actually hits, it wasnt like the shots landed on wlad were baby taps. he almost knocked vitali down with one shot in the first round i think of their fight.
ive discussed brewster a million times... look earlier in the thread if you wanna call that a real win for brewster.
in the heavyweight division, anyone can khan anyone if they land that lucky shot. the human chin can only take so much and if you get caught right, any heavyweight can drop any heavyweight. the chances of klitschko khaning someone and getting khaned are way different than people seem to think. he has only been khaned once, no other evidence suggests that klitschkos chin is glass.
Klitschko could get Khan'ed by anybody if they had a really good day and Klitschko was not on his game. By that, I mean anybody in the top 50. Sanders was not a great fighter, nor was Brewster, and everyone knows that Ross Purity was nothing special.
Klitschko is probably still the best heavyweight because of consistency, but if he has an off day and the guy across the ring is feeling confident, he's in trouble.
The hell he wasn't. The only reason Sanders didn't rule the entire division is because he was LAZY, and just wouldn't do any conditioning training. If he'd been able to fight for a full 12 rounds, that man would've been the most dangerous mutherfucker on the planet during his career. Lightning quick hands, solid 5140 billet steel beard, 6'6" tall, and a straight left hand that could easily put the lights out on anyone with a single touch.
Granted, Purity was nothing special, and while I give Brewster far more credit than I do Purity, even he wasn't in the same class as Sanders.
If Sanders had been conditioned properly, I'd have picked him for a 2/1 favorite over Lewis in his prime.
Klitschko could get Khan'ed by anybody if they had a really good day and Klitschko was not on his game. By that, I mean anybody in the top 50. Sanders was not a great fighter, nor was Brewster, and everyone knows that Ross Purity was nothing special.
Klitschko is probably still the best heavyweight because of consistency, but if he has an off day and the guy across the ring is feeling confident, he's in trouble.
It's kind of sad that a chinny CW is the best hope for this division.
I still cant see how so many haye fans feel confident that he'll be a dominant heavyweight. I like watching him,,he's exciting but I cant see how he'll last long when facing even average heavyweight punchers considering how bad his chin looked against cruisers. I here people mentioning how his chin will improve with the added weight but it sure never helped any other smaller guys when moving up to heavyweight
There's no way you can prove that and Wlad has two belts and hasn't fought the second best fighter in the division so he ain't undisputed. By the time he could fight Chagaev to unify I bet Haye is a force to be reckoned with in the division and Klit is gonna have to deal wit him to, to become undisputed.
chagaev doesnt want any part of klitschko, they tried to get a match, the only person that would step up to unify was ibragimov. chagaev gets written off for dodging IMO.
haye should not even be mentioned, he has YET to narrow an opponent and has YET to even fight at heavy weight.
that is ignorant, haye hasnt even fought at heavyweight yet.
ok so if chagaev ever wants to step in the ring with wlad, then he will be undisputed?
IMO wlad is already undisputed, cause if i remember right chagaev didnt want much to do with wlad when they tried to unify.
There's no way you can prove that and Wlad has two belts and hasn't fought the second best fighter in the division so he ain't undisputed. By the time he could fight Chagaev to unify I bet Haye is a force to be reckoned with in the division and Klit is gonna have to deal wit him to, to become undisputed.
The premise that Wlad is unbeatable at HW just shows how poor the division is. I think Vitali was a much better fighter.
vitali was much more of a risk taker, but to say his technical skills were better than wlads, i think thats a stretch. vitali would go to war with fighters where wlad would keep them at bay with a jab and put the straight right or that oh so beautiful left hook into em and end the fight.
wlad is much faster than vitali as well. who knows who would win in a fight, wlad insists vitali would win.
honestly, wlads "glass chin" aside. look at the skills he has, the jab, the power, the beautiful left hook, the speed. compare that to every other all time great and he's got the goods...
the heavyweight division may be in a "bad state" but everytime a "savior" comes along wlad knocks them out. when haye moves up and gets knocked out, he will just be another guy in the mix.
this is EXACTLY whats going to happen.
haye is going to fight some heavyweight, knock them out and then all the haters and haye fanboys are gonna get on hayes tiny dick and ride it all the way to the klitschko fight saying how klitschko is going to get knocked out cause haye is the shit and the new religion.
klitschko will knock haye out probably within the first three rounds, if haye wants to get aggressive. then all the haters will say haye wasnt shit and he was exposed, never that good, washed up, shitty, a punk ass bitch, ect... then give klitschko NO credit, instead just hate on him worse for not fighting "a real fighter" when ever before the fight they were all about some david haye.
mark my words.
2 fights need to be done for him to be it. Chagaev and Haye other then that nothin needs to be done. Arreola, Chambers, Dimitrenko none of em need to be beat if he can beat Chagaev and Haye.
that is ignorant, haye hasnt even fought at heavyweight yet.
ok so if chagaev ever wants to step in the ring with wlad, then he will be undisputed?
IMO wlad is already undisputed, cause if i remember right chagaev didnt want much to do with wlad when they tried to unify.
Honestly, I don't think any can;
David Haye: Although we have not seen him at heavyweight yet (I don't care about Bonin, he was shit), I think he is just to open to beat Wlad. If he had a good chin, maybe, But he doesn't his chin is very bad. Wlad might be cautious early to avoid being caught by a big shot from Haye i see him winning by stoppage..
Samuel Peter: Wlad already beat him, beyond any doubt. And of the 3 knockdowns, only one should be counted anyway. You may say that Peter was green at the time, Wlad wasn't long off his loss to Brewster so was lower in confidence than he would be going into a rematch. I say Wlad wins a wide ass UD or late stoppage in a rematch
Ruslan Chagaev: Chagaev might cause Wlad some problems, But i think Wlad would just control the fight with his jab, similar to the Ibragimov fight. Chagaev has a good chin, so i don't know about a KO, but i am sure Wlad would win it.
Nicolay Valuev: I think Valuev would cause Wlad the most trouble out of the top heavies, He is taller than Wlad which is something new (Unless i have forgotten someone) and has recently began to improve on various areas. However, I still think he would be too slow and clumsy to beat Wlad and would lose on points.
Alexander Povetkin: Right now, I think he is just to green and way to open to right hands to make it 12 with Wlad, let alone beat him..
Sultan Ibragimov: Already beat him, I think a rematch would be pretty much the same except Wlad would probably step it up at some point and maybe stop Iggy
And so on...
Really, I can't see any heavyweight right now beating Wlad. Thoughts?
Chuck Norris would beat his ass, hands down, literally. He would cross kick the shit out of his face and say thank you for watching Walker, Texas Ranger.
here is a question:
why the hell is wlad NOT the undisputed heavy weight champ?
2 fights need to be done for him to be it. Chagaev and Haye other then that nothin needs to be done. Arreola, Chambers, Dimitrenko none of em need to be beat if he can beat Chagaev and Haye.
Why do you keep stalking me, old man??
I'm just speaking the truth!!!
These dellusional Haye nuthuggers need a reality check and I am the man that gives that reality check.
no,,youre the man that makes the rest of us klit fans look bad. you need to grow up and chill the hell out on the ninny a$$ed name calling or youre going to end up banned for good. wise up kid