Can Judah make 140?

He felt that right hand in the first, believe that. Zoo started it throwing a few jabs and huge right hands. Zab didn't like what was coming back at him very early even if it wasn't that many shots, they were hard. Yep. Back then, if Kostya hit you with you with that right hand, it was like Voltrons blazing sword. Game Over.

He felt that right hand in the first, believe that. Zoo started it throwing a few jabs and huge right hands. Zab didn't like what was coming back at him very early even if it wasn't that many shots, they were hard. Agreed. I mean, the fight was really over in the first. Judah had NO answers.

I'm not sure, but if he would have trouble making 140, then forget about it. If not, then I say go back down to 140.

But isn't that analogous to Shane who was fighting at 154, and then came back to his natural weight? Now that is a valid comparison. No two people are exactly alike, and Shane seems comfortable shifting back and forth in weight. At his age and with his experience, he seems to know his own limitations. That's the real reason he declined the Mayweather fight at welter. He knew (or at least believed) he needed more time to adapt to the drop in weight to fight the best in the division.

Cuz dat's Brooklyn style. Yeah he won round one BFD Talk about much ado about nothing. Judah landed a solid left uppercut in that first round that seemed to stun Tszyu momentarily. Zab proceeded to spend the rest of the round running for dear life and throwing little. This pattern continued until he was KTFO a few minutes later.

yes and he should. its his natural weight. he's done better than ricky hatton at 147 though cause hes a much better fighter. he should go back down, fight ricky and regain HIS crown. You know... the one that his cockiness and carelessness lost him against tszyu after DOMINATing the first round with ease... Why do New Yorkers think the first round of Tszyu-Judah was like the first round of Pacquiao-Marquez I? When you are winning a fight by a score of 10-9 before you get clocked, you haven't been dominating anything.

If Margarito can make 147, Judah makes 140 easily and would be a force there. Not a valid comparison. Except for one fight at 154, Margarito has been fighting at welter his entire career. His mond and body are used to making that weight. Judah hasn't made 140 in almost five years. It's not like he looks pudgy at welterweight either.

Do you see any of the top 140 guys making a dent at 147? Cause I don't. Not any of the top guys. Holt and Bailey are big enough, but I don't think they are good enough. Maybe someone on the way up like Victor Ortiz, but that involves a lot of speculation.

yes and he should. its his natural weight. he's done better than ricky hatton at 147 though cause hes a much better fighter. he should go back down, fight ricky and regain HIS crown. You know... the one that his cockiness and carelessness lost him against tszyu after DOMINATing the first round with ease... Sorry, bud, but I got to do it..... :D

If Margarito can make 147, Judah makes 140 easily and would be a force there.

yes and he should. its his natural weight. he's done better than ricky hatton at 147 though cause hes a much better fighter. he should go back down, fight ricky and regain HIS crown. You know... the one that his cockiness and carelessness lost him against tszyu after DOMINATing the first round with ease...

Well Judah's "Adviser" G.leon of boxing.....talk said there is NO way Judah makes 140, So many people have written him on his mailbag begging judah to go down to 140 after he came in at 143 against Clottey, But G.leon kept insisting that Judah cant make 140 and that the only reason he weight in at 143 against clottey was because Judah had been training for 4 months because of his fight against Mosley. He said there is No need for judah to go to 140 anyway since his fighting Berto next if berto gets past Forbes.

I think Judah is looked at as damaged goods and just a name opponent, and that every top 140 lb fighter would be anxious to get him in the ring. Do you see any of the top 140 guys making a dent at 147? Cause I don't.

The problem is that with every loss to a 'top guy', his value diminishes. Kinda like Collazo. Or Estrada. For example, he has lost to Mayweather, Cotto, and Clottey. What is the value to, say, Cintron or Berto if they beat Zab? Won't he quickly become what Chop-chop was at 140 (if he isn't already)? I see your point. Judah is almost at gate keeper status at 147, in my eyes. He can still give the top welters a good scrap, but the top tier guys are just to much for him. I'd love to see a Judah-Berto match, by the way....

:rofl:I gotcha I see what you are saying, Dios. But I think Judah can still get some of the big fish to fight him at 147. The top guys at 140 would be probably scared to death of Judah, and rightfully so. I think Judah is looked at as damaged goods and just a name opponent, and that every top 140 lb fighter would be anxious to get him in the ring.

I don't understand that. If guys like Hatton, Guzman, Pacquiao, etc can dry out 14-16 pounds on fight week, why can't Zab and Mayweather dry out 6-8 pounds? Ricky is 154 on fight night, yet makes 140. Apparently somewhat comfortably. And he relies on 'strength' much more than ZJ. I can only guess, but I believe it is psychological. Hatton genuinely believes that he is the best at 140 in the world, and is willing to make the sacrifices to get down to that weight. Zab thinks he is a true welterweight and feels he would be too weak at 140. If he doesn't truly believe in himself in that weight class, he will almost surely fail there. Once you reach the skill level these guys are at, their performance may come down to them believing in their conditioning on fight night. Not to mention that Judah is psychologically shaky even under the best of circumstances

I really can't think of too many 147 fights that would be more money than Judah-Hatton, or the "Battle for Gotham", Judah-Malignaggi. Can you imagine Judah-Malignaggi at MSG? Hell, I'd buy tickets for the press conferences. :rofl:I gotcha I see what you are saying, Dios. But I think Judah can still get some of the big fish to fight him at 147. The top guys at 140 would be probably scared to death of Judah, and rightfully so.

Wade makes the appropriate remark about money, but at WW he is now reduced to an opponent (i.e., no longer a contender or prospective contender). At 140 he could seek winnable fights with Hatton, Paulie, and eventually Lamont Peterson or Bradley At 147 he will be high-profile fodder for the next generation. Everyone will get the chance to knock him out

Could he? Maybe. Will he? No way in hell. To much money to be made at 147.

He looked pretty strong the night of the fight, where he came in about 147. He could definitely make 140, and it's not like he fought bad against Clottey. He would tear up most of, if not all of the 140lb fighters. Your clottey sig gives me jokes, I really cannot stop laughing after reading the words on your sig.