In his Prime did Roy Jones avoid Big Puches?

Yeah the Eric Harding win was a good one. There are several others also like Virgil Hill, Grant, Reggie Johnson, Woods and a few others he fought in his LHW reign that aren't too bad either. I'm not saying they are all elite fighters but the way a select few go on they would have you believe Roy was just beating up guys with losing records in these fights. The man beat some good opponents. What did you think about Eric Lucas? I watched him face Kessler (back in 06) the other day and he looked just like he did when he faced Jones back in 96. Roy Stopped him in the 12th and Kessler did it in the 10th. The crazy thing was in 10 years he looked the same. I kind of liked the dude. He had a ok chin and could take a beating. Roy and Kessler both landed good shots on him and he still kept coming. What's your take on him. You think he was an ok fighter? Or at least worth mentioning when talking about Kessler and Jones?

A lot of it was unitentional by Benn though........due to his style and the way he was fighting. The ref was poor but I think he was poor for both fighters. He didnt help McClellan in the first round and kept taking to long to warn both fighters for infringements. I was talking primarily about when he went over and knocked out Barkley and DeWitt. Benn offered to fight Jones around the time Jones chose an easier fight with Hopkins at middleweight. How do you know it was unintentional? Did you forget Benn hitting Iran Barkley after he was already down? Was that his style too? Hopkins "easier" than Benn? Now that's stupidity. And don't act like you don't remember Benn getting knocked down about three times.Early and late in the fight. And the referee was terrible.Mostly towards McClellan whether you admit it or not.

Roy is pathetic, truly pathetic. When he whips your boys ass, what will you say then?

IMO Nigel Benn would of give anybody fits and give Jones a better test than most did ,but to say he would of beaten Jones is to hard to swollow for me !

None of those people could have been matched against him. Lewis was too big, and the others were too old At the time when Roy fought Ruiz I wouldn't have minded seeing Jones Vs Tyson...I think they could have fought Jones would have came in at 190-195 and Tyson at his 218-225. I think it would have been a great fight. Jones using his boxing skills and Mike trying to walk him down...Lefty

I dont agree with this. The guys who he didnt fight were a level above those he did. Barring Toney who was in that level and Hopkins who eventually reached that level. The likes of Harding, Johnson, Hill etc are all good world level contenders but not great fighters like Benn, Eubank etc. But it was more disappointing that he was fighting the likes of Richard Frazier and David Telesco than anyone else. No doubt, I am not saying tat richard frazier and company where world class fighters, I am saying that none of these fighters with the exception of McCllelan was thought of at the time of being a serious challenge to Roy, and McCllelan became paralyzed which ended that opportunity. DM was a serious option but not anyone that would have caused any problems for Roy. My point is that Roy beat 2 top all time fighters during their peak years, he then beat a total of `16 more current or past or future championship fighters, in weight classes. Now my favority era is the era of Leonard, hagler, Duran, Hearns. Lets see Leonad could have faced Palmino, Cuevas. Duran could have faced Arguello and zPryor, Hearns could have faced McCallum, Curry, and many others around 154-168, Hagler could have moved up and accepted the challenge to face Quawi, saad Muhhamed, or fought some of the up coming great talent, but he didnt either. Get my drift, you can always name fighters that a fighter did not fight. Had Roy been in the same era as Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Leonard, you would not have heard much about Hagler, as Roy would destroy hagler at middleweight, Leonard would never have moved up to midleweight, and Hearns would have been ko'd with in 6 vs a prime roy. Duran already said that anyone that moved up and fought rou was stupid (he told Vinnie Paz this). Leonard also acknowledge that he and those in his era where lucky that they did not have to face roy, as Roy had super super speed, tremendous power at middleweight, and had a unorthadox style that would have totally confused those 4 fighters. Think Im crazy huh...I know Leonard was shot but he till had a tough go vs a 154 Norris. In leonard prime I give him the edge due to Norris weak chin, but it wld not be easy. Now move leonard up in weight class to middleweight, vs a bigger faster and harder to hit Roy, who had the reach on him...hmmmmm. Hagler was perfectly made for a Roy Jones. He had to step when he punched, thus Dundee came into Leonard camp a week before the fight and pointed this out, that is why you saw hagler lungning all night long. Leonard was not near as hard to hit as roy, and Roy was faster and stronger than Loenard, especially at Middleweight. Hagler when he faced leoanrd was only 32 contrary to false hype on here that hagler was shot, in fact hager had just came of his bes 3 wins. Hamsho, mugabi and hearns..all 3 by ko. However a boxer with mobility in Leonard posed a completley different style one that straight ahead Hagler simply could not adapt too. Roy would humiliate hagler. Hearns went to sleep vs everyone great who hit hime. So if Leonard stopped him at 147, what do you think Roy would do at 160, Duran already said it would be suicide for he or paz to move up and face Roy. However, lets assume he did. You saw what happened when he faced a boxing Leonard. Now carry that up 13 more pounds to a bigger stronger and faster version who was more difficult to hit......Hmmmm Roy is not my favorite, but he talent wise was every bit as good as Leonard, and was faster at middle than a professional (not amateur, the amateur ray was the fastest I have ever seen) Ray leonard, and clearly stronger.

Lots of people can punch but they arent neccesarily punchers. that is a stupid comment to make. u fail

I dont agree with this. The guys who he didnt fight were a level above those he did. Barring Toney who was in that level and Hopkins who eventually reached that level. The likes of Harding, Johnson, Hill etc are all good world level contenders but not great fighters like Benn, Eubank etc. But it was more disappointing that he was fighting the likes of Richard Frazier and David Telesco than anyone else. Regardless the point is that although he did not fight everybody he was still fighting top guys. Fighters like Harding, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill and Montell Griffin are top level fighters. People make out like Roy was fighting can after can. It is not the case.

A lot of it was unitentional by Benn though........due to his style and the way he was fighting. The ref was poor but I think he was poor for both fighters. He didnt help McClellan in the first round and kept taking to long to warn both fighters for infringements. I was talking primarily about when he went over and knocked out Barkley and DeWitt. Benn offered to fight Jones around the time Jones chose an easier fight with Hopkins at middleweight. Intentional or not I don't know, Benn had a history of rabbit punching though so it could be his style. The Barkley and DeWitt fights were at 1990, Jones had just turned pro, the Hopkins fight wasn't until 1993, which makes more sense.

Some of you Jones haters are complete idiots. How amazing someone can stay at home, and if they get hit with a simply jab to the body they would go the emergency room..yet and still these same chat room toughies will say that Jones didnt have a jaw, never fought good fightrs etc....What a joke!!! Sure Roy could have fought some others, and yes we would have loved to see him face a prime McCllelan, Benn, Eubanks, DM. However what about Hill, Toney, Hopkins, Gonzales, Harding, Johnson, etc. If roy had fought the ones he did not fight, and missed any of these mentioned, then you all would be ranting about not fighting the others. No fighter faces every person out there, The beloved Duran on here, never faced ARguello or Pryor. I dont agree with this. The guys who he didnt fight were a level above those he did. Barring Toney who was in that level and Hopkins who eventually reached that level. The likes of Harding, Johnson, Hill etc are all good world level contenders but not great fighters like Benn, Eubank etc. But it was more disappointing that he was fighting the likes of Richard Frazier and David Telesco than anyone else.

Yeah, McClellan was doing his fair share of dirty stuff when they were in close, Benn did the majority of it though and the referee was genuinely horrible in the fight. If you're talking about the stint Benn had where he fought like 5 fights in a row in the US, Jones had barely turned pro at that point, it was something like 1991 when Benn made that tour of the US and I don't think he KO'd everyone he fought when he fought in the US. 1993-94 would make more sense. A lot of it was unitentional by Benn though........due to his style and the way he was fighting. The ref was poor but I think he was poor for both fighters. He didnt help McClellan in the first round and kept taking to long to warn both fighters for infringements. I was talking primarily about when he went over and knocked out Barkley and DeWitt. Benn offered to fight Jones around the time Jones chose an easier fight with Hopkins at middleweight.

Some of you Jones haters are complete idiots. How amazing someone can stay at home, and if they get hit with a simply jab to the body they would go the emergency room..yet and still these same chat room toughies will say that Jones didnt have a jaw, never fought good fightrs etc....What a joke!!! Sure Roy could have fought some others, and yes we would have loved to see him face a prime McCllelan, Benn, Eubanks, DM. However what about Hill, Toney, Hopkins, Gonzales, Harding, Johnson, etc. If roy had fought the ones he did not fight, and missed any of these mentioned, then you all would be ranting about not fighting the others. No fighter faces every person out there, The beloved Duran on here, never faced ARguello or Pryor. Roy obviously took good punches, as there are many many punches that one takes during the course of a long fight, that we overlook, cause the technique that one uses to minimize punches Roy was great at. The reflexes he used to hit and not get hit was phenomenal. Outside of Mayweather I have seen pretty much eveyone (not Hagler) get ht with shots by great fighters and fighter not so special, and hurt. Leonard was hurt early on by Rodriguez, then Geraldo, Duran. Ali, the man with a great jaw, was dazed several times, Cooper, for one, and he was not some great great fighter. Louis, Lewis, everyone. Roy got dazed by De Valle, and go up and went on to win the fight. Trust me there were other big shots he took, that many would have been dropped by, but Roy did have a jaw, maybe not a Tex Cobb jaw, but he did have the all around ability to deal with punches. It was not until he slowed a bit, weight loss in a short period of time which does have negtive effects to a persons body. When he slowed and aged, and damaged his body, then he fell victim to shots, the shot vs Tarver is one that could happen anytime. His second stoppage was a beatdown, one that was due his fighting the wrong person with the wrong style at time n his career where he did not have the tools necessary to deal with the onslaught, that he once did. That simple

I hear these bullshit accusations all the time. There were also instances where McClellan rabbit punched and headbutted Benn but no one talks about that. Benn's style was to stay low and swing hooks at the taller McClellan, some which caught him on the back of the head. Benn battered him and won the fight, what happened to McClellan was a tragedy that unfortunately happens. Placing blame is stupidity. Benn didnt wanna fight Jones after that........he didnt really want to fight full stop. He asked for $10m to fight Jones knowng he'd probably lose. Benn wanted Jones much earlier but Jones wanted nothing to do with Benn who was KOing yank after yank in their own backyward. Yeah, McClellan was doing his fair share of dirty stuff when they were in close, Benn did the majority of it though and the referee was genuinely horrible in the fight. If you're talking about the stint Benn had where he fought like 5 fights in a row in the US, Jones had barely turned pro at that point, it was something like 1991 when Benn made that tour of the US and I don't think he KO'd everyone he fought when he fought in the US. 1993-94 would make more sense.

Benn also got away with consistent hitting in the back of the head( rabbit punching) against McClellan which may have caused the brain injury. McClellan told the ref and the ref didn't do a thing about it. The referee also conspicuously halted the action to warn McClellan in the first round when Benn was on his way out. Those are facts and that referee should be banned for life. Benn didn't want to go anywhere near RJJ at that time and his promoter Don King called out everybody but Jones after that fight. I hear these bullshit accusations all the time. There were also instances where McClellan rabbit punched and headbutted Benn but no one talks about that. Benn's style was to stay low and swing hooks at the taller McClellan, some which caught him on the back of the head. Benn battered him and won the fight, what happened to McClellan was a tragedy that unfortunately happens. Placing blame is stupidity. Benn didnt wanna fight Jones after that........he didnt really want to fight full stop. He asked for $10m to fight Jones knowng he'd probably lose. Benn wanted Jones much earlier but Jones wanted nothing to do with Benn who was KOing yank after yank in their own backyward.

Who has Ruiz KOed thats anywhere Jones level? He was too slow to ever catch Jones. He knocked down and hurt Evander Holyfield with 1 punch, anyone that can do that can punch pretty hard.

Sure he picked the weakest champ at heavy..but..RUIZ IS STILL A HEAVYWEIGHT and has KO'd his fair share of heavies.. It's not like he's Buster Mathis Jr. Now.. Shut that ballwasher you call a mouth and learn what the hell you're talking about before you post. Who has Ruiz KOed thats anywhere Jones level? He was too slow to ever catch Jones.

He really didn't avoid those guys. Terry Norris was just bad timing, Julian Jackson didn't want any of Jones, McClellan was supposed to fight Jones after Benn but we all know what happened there, Benn was willing to fight Jones a few years before the McClellan fight but I don't think he really wanted Jones afterwards, a Tyson deal just couldn't be reached. Lennox Lewis is a crazy fight. And Jones could take a decent shot when he was younger, he got hit flush by Griffin and went nowhere, he got hit flush by Ruiz and went nowhere so that isn't a man with a glass chin. It's refreshing to read the truth without agendas

Looking at Jones biggest wins, its hard to disagree. Even though I think he'd probably beat Nigel Benn with his superior skill, speed and technique, I think Benn wouldve made him shit his pants. Benn didnt give a fuck, it was knockout or get knocked out and he managed to get to someone as accomplished as McClellan so cracking one on Jones chin wouldnt have been out of the question. Benn also got away with consistent hitting in the back of the head( rabbit punching) against McClellan which may have caused the brain injury. McClellan told the ref and the ref didn't do a thing about it. The referee also conspicuously halted the action to warn McClellan in the first round when Benn was on his way out. Those are facts and that referee should be banned for life. Benn didn't want to go anywhere near RJJ at that time and his promoter Don King called out everybody but Jones after that fight.

Roy shouldve just stayed at heavyweight and gotten knocked out by Lennox Lewis. It would have done wonders for his career, and I aint being sarcastic. past prime or not, its more embarressing to lose at LHW against Tarver than against Lennox at HW.

Always been his chin??? Dude If Roy Jones had a weak chin even in his prime IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CRACKED. Again. You don't take punches at heavyweight and have a weak chin.. C'mon now guy...damn. He barely got hit in that Ruiz fight and the punches he did get hit with were by no means big punches. If his chin was not his biggest weakness then what was? I am not criticising him just saying that I think it has always been a little suspect.