Ghost v. BHOP | Who you got?!?

dont sleep on hopkins but dont sleep on the hard hitting ghost!!!!

I'll take Hopkins in a decision. Pure styles matchup. I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at worst a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved. Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to. I don't give a fuck about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight. Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so fucking basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat. Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties. I am not here denying that he is not the same guy as he was in his mid-late thirties, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little. Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch connects. The connect percentage. He out landed Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaningful blows against Calzaghe...and most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish. Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way. That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 style. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the fuck can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys. Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork is much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit heavier handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more. Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito. Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relative ease, and in the process take little to no punishment. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik out boxing Hopkins OR stopping him. I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinidad depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). The saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lot on his opponents, and they eventually succumbed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little. I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points. That's just my opinion. We shall see. dam homie....nice post....ANOTHER ONE!

I voted Pav by decision but I really think he will be able to get to Hops and finish him!!!

old snaggletooth hopkins vs the ghost... spooky!

Pav by decision. Hop will keep it cose the first half of the fight then Kelley's youth and workrate will come into play. Jmo.

I gotta go with Hopkins. If Calzaghe was that close, and that was based on JC's workrate. Pavlik's workrate is not as high. BHop close Split decision.

i think pavlik will win this just out of workrate, and the fact Bhop is gettin too old now. however, i think bhop can beat him as he is soo crafty and clever in the ring its jsut has his age finally caught up with him.

Kelly wins this fight IMO. It is because he is simple that he will win. He will KO Bernard in one of the later rounds.

I disagree.

I'll take Hopkins in a decision. Pure styles matchup. I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at worst a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved. Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to. I don't give a fuck about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight. Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so fucking basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat. Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties. I am not here denying that he is not the same guy as he was in his mid-late thirties, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little. Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch connects. The connect percentage. He out landed Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaningful blows against Calzaghe...and most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish. Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way. That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 style. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the fuck can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys. Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork is much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit heavier handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more. Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito. Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relative ease, and in the process take little to no punishment. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik out boxing Hopkins OR stopping him. I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinidad depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). The saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lot on his opponents, and they eventually succumbed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little. I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points. That's just my opinion. We shall see. Taylor in no way shape or form outboxed Pavlik in the rematch. Taylor would have the bursts of flurries every now and then but Pavlik was the more consistent of the two, constantly throwing punches. Pavlik won that fight easily. Taylor didnt outbox Pavlik, he didnt use his jab enough in the later rounds. Pavlik picked up the pace in the later rounds, and was constantly hurting Taylor to the body.

I'll take Hopkins in a decision. Pure styles matchup. I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at worst a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved. Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to. I don't give a fuck about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight. Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so fucking basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat. Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties. I am not here denying that he is not the same guy as he was in his mid-late thirties, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little. Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch connects. The connect percentage. He out landed Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaningful blows against Calzaghe...and most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish. Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way. That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 style. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the fuck can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys. Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork is much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit heavier handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more. Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito. Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relative ease, and in the process take little to no punishment. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik out boxing Hopkins OR stopping him. I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinidad depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). The saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lot on his opponents, and they eventually succumbed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little. I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points. That's just my opinion. We shall see.

Head screams Pavlik. Heart says B-Hop, Come on hopkins!

I have to go with Pavlik by decision. He's a high workrate guy and that alone should be enough to carry the day. B-Hop just doesn't do enough anymore. His best chance I think is to stop Kelly, but B-Hop will have to commit to it early, and I don't think he will. I think a lot of his ultra defensive style is not just about him being too old to do much, but also because he is old and doesn't want to end up brain damaged. B-Hop is a smart guy. My thoughts exactly...Pavlik will throw punches but B Hop will be tying him up early and often. Using his head as an extra weapon trying to frustrate and cut Kelly. If B Hop gets hit with some of the shots that Joe was ble to hit with last fight by Kelly he will get put down. Whether or not he stays down will remain to be seen. But I think Pavlik can KO B Hop at this point inhis career....Lefty

i'm gonna have faith in my man BHop and vote for him yessir! in response to the dude who was talking about pavlik's 1-2s, Ive noticed that he has been mixing up his punches lately. he has always done it on the ropes but his arsenal is expanding. still, the 1 and 1-2 is his best bet. if it ain't broke dont fix it. muhammad got a lot of mileage out of the 1-2 and his long range hook which is a sick tool for skilled taller fighters. when you got the range, use it. But don't forget kelly- "WATCH OUT FOR THE RIGHT, It comes out of nowhere " (just ask joey C and Tony T)

i'm gonna have faith in my man BHop and vote for him

Im gonna gothat Boring old fucker Hopkins but I can see why peeps would back Kelly, he has a real shot. But as good as Pavlik is and im a big fan, he is pretty basic 1-2 1-2 1-2 and Hopkins while dull as fuck is a smart guy and will hav a plan, his only problem is Pavliks workrate. Hopkins on points but im rootin for Kelly, any1 wanna bet? DUDE! you're forgetting 1-1-2!!!!!!!

hopkins will get knocked out for the first time in his career in late rounds

Ghost by KO in 10 anyone wanna bet 5K Ghost beats Hopkins?no, but i will bet you 4k he dont stop him!?

Im gonna gothat Boring old fucker Hopkins but I can see why peeps would back Kelly, he has a real shot. But as good as Pavlik is and im a big fan, he is pretty basic 1-2 1-2 1-2 and Hopkins while dull as fuck is a smart guy and will hav a plan, his only problem is Pavliks workrate. Hopkins on points but im rootin for Kelly, any1 wanna bet?

Ghost by KO in 10 anyone wanna bet 5K Ghost beats Hopkins?