I Didnt See The Same Fight As Everyone Else

I completely agree with the thread starter about Margarito's chin.......Cotto really didn't check it with leverage. Heck, Williams was moving back too. His physical size intimidates opponents and makes them move back... His chin is deffinitely good but he hasn't really been tested. Margarito's chin easily stood up to Cotto, Clottey, Williams, and Cintron (twice). I can't believe anyone would say that his chin hasn't been tested. Who does he have to fight to convince you?

This shows your boxing knowledge. It is common knowledge that the only guys that beat Margs all stood their and fought with him toe to toe. Santos, P Williams, and even earlier in his career. You can stop posting now. EDIT: Oh yeah, Clottey stood in front of Margs and did pretty good too. omg u have no idea what ur talking about. Williams Walked down Margarito?! I MUST have missed that. And Cotto, THE NATURALLY SMALLER MAN, would have to be an IDIOT to try and walk down or back up Antonio Margarito, the MUCH BIGGER and Naturally Stronger man. Santos happens to be even bigger then Margarito, and is extremely strong. Not to mention, the fight was fought at 154 pounds. Do some fuckin research before u call someone an idiot. You'd have to be an idiot to even try something like walking down Margarito when you're smaller and weaker. Cotto would have been almost certainly stopped sooner. So please, stop posting here until you actually know something about strategy and what fighters have to do to win.

I am not saying that he won most of them, but what I am saying is that Cotto was not DOMINATING the fight. I had it 6-4 Margs. When I say this people say that I am biased, but I just dont see Cotto dominating. Well I had it 6-4 Cotto. Marg landed most of his shots towards the end of the fight. He did dominate round 2, 7, 8 or 9 (??cant remember??) and 10, but 1,3,4,5,6, and 8 or 9 (??cant remember??) were dominated by Cotto. And again if you call throwing 70 punches per round and landing over 40% of them "running", im not really sure what to tell you.

From the way the media and alot of fans on here talked, I expected to pretty much see Cotto destroying Margarito in the first half of the fight. Then when I watched it, I was totally shocked by what I saw. I was saying to myself "is this the same fight where they said that Cotto was outclassing Margarito early on"? I felt that Margarito was winning just as many rounds as Cotto, if not more. On top of that, I felt from the very 1st second of the fight that Margarito was in complete control. I cant believe that some people felf that Cotto could win by a "wide" UD after 6 rounds. Even at the end of round 1 and definatly by round 2, I felt that Cotto had absolutely no chance of winning that fight. I also felt that Cotto himself felt that way. You could see it on his face when he went to the corner after round 2. He had a look on his face like "what have I gotten myself into"? The biggest thing that I felt was that even the rounds that Cotto won, were not really winning rounds. By that I mean that it seemed like he won the round by scoring shots out of despiration but Margarito was always clearly in control. You know what Im saying? Its like Cotto may have won a round where he moved non stop and then just fired off a combo because he had to keep Margarito off him, and then moved again instantly but in a desperate type of way. Even when he won a round he was nowhere near in control. I was also shocked of the fact that Margarito made Cotto look like a little boy. Cotto has been so huge compared to his opponents and he looks twice as big as Floyd but he looked like Margarito's son in the ring. For some reason it looked like Cotto was smaller then normal and Margarito was way bigger then normal. I know thats not the case but thats how it looked. I also stand by what I said about Margarito's chin. I think it is good but I still dont think that you saw it fully tested in these 2 fights because of the fact that both Cotto & Cintron were always going backwards. Those guys hit super hard but they really get there full power when there walking you down and stepping into all of there punches. Its like there digging into you. Basically just like what Margarito is doing to them, you feel me? Its a different kind of punch. Margarito was stepping into Cotto and digging into his body or driving into Cotto over the top. Cotto & Cintron were always throwing off there heels and were just set a few times but they never got to step into there punch and dig shots because of Margarito's pressure and there obvious fear. Still, I couldnt believe the commentators saying how they felt that Cotto was clearly dominating a round. He never ever even came close to doing that. I also felt that his boxing skills were so overrated in that fight. Not from the normal point of boxing but from the point that he really wasnt boxing. He was fighting out of desperation and then moving for his life. He wasnt skillfuly trying to do anything special. It was him just trying to do what he had to do to keep Margarito off of him who I felt was in full control from the very 1st bell. He was never even close to being outclassed Good post and we saw the same fight! Yes Cotto had the "cleaner punches" but not only was margarito controlling the pace but he was weakending cotto every round with his great body punching. after each passing round you saw Margarito getting better and stronger like he usually does while Cotto clearly was like WTF and he wanted the fight to end! its hard to win a fight when you doubt that you can hurt your opponent and he clearly never hurt margarito. margarito a couple of times just plain smiled at Cotto after being hit and jogged right back up to cotto and started his onslaught again. margarito won a couple early rounds and then completely dominated the late rounds! Cotto never dominated at any point the fight!

I completely agree with the thread starter about Margarito's chin.......Cotto really didn't check it with leverage. Heck, Williams was moving back too. His physical size intimidates opponents and makes them move back... His chin is deffinitely good but he hasn't really been tested.

Watch 1:55 of round 2... who won this exchange? I cant watch it till I get home, but that being said from what I remember I gave Marg that round on that exchange alone. Very close round, but MArg was able to get to Cotto during the middle portion of the round!! Again I will watch the fight again tonight and let you guys know how i scored it this time..... And H I will def. give you some moer insight in this point of the fight during round 2....

But the thing is Margs wasnt missing as much as some people think. He was landing inside body shots and some other good shots, but Cotto would throw a little jab, snap Margs head back, and the flashy points went to Cotto, when in reality Margs won the exchange. Many exchanges ended with Marg not even hitting Cotto and Cotto moving away. Toward the end of the fight, Marg was getting the better of Cotto, but the first half of the fight was Cotto winning the exchanges or for that matter, unanswered combos. Most of Margarito's punches were landed towards the latter part of the fight. If you honestly think that Margarito was winning most of the exchanges early in the fight, I really dont know what fight you were watching.

But the thing is Margs wasnt missing as much as some people think. He was landing inside body shots and some other good shots, but Cotto would throw a little jab, snap Margs head back, and the flashy points went to Cotto, when in reality Margs won the exchange. Marg made Cott's shots look like they were all little flickering shots. His head would snap back yes, but he was able to walk right through them. This deceived people in thinking that it was Marg really landing the better shots. In actuallity and IMO Cotto just couldnt take a shot the same way Margarito was able to and this really clouded people's judgement of who was winning some of these rounds. Again this all comes down to opinion, and mine is no more right then yours. But again we have a damn good conversationg stemming from these points... Also I think Kellerman made reference to this fact during the broadcast, that Marg was just able to absorb these shots so much better then Cotto was, and this could def. be a reason why we continue to have this discussion today!! Keep it up people :boxing:

Yes and just because you control the ring doesn't mean much in the whole aspect of winning a fight. If I am stalking you down but missing, how am I winning a round? Im not, Cotto may of been getting backed down but especially from the start he was rocking Marg while Marg missed a lot. But from the judges site all they see is Marg pressing, throwing a lot, and making Cotto bloody. To counter that, watching it from home that night and again the next day and once again the following day, of yeah and SAt. night and Sunday night, I think that it was Cotto who was controlling the ring for the first 6 rounds. Even in the 8th or the 9th, he did the same. Where as watching it from ringside you continue to see Marg. come forwards pressing the fight yes, but not really being effective in the first 6. Now after Marg got to him in round 7, he was done. The body shots were too much and in turn, he was suceptible to those great Marg uppercuts. Miguel from this point on was running, not longer controlling the fight, nor the ring. Just because a fighter backs up, doesn't mean he isnt in control. And throughout the early rounds, he was doing just that!!

I dont know if you have been to a fight or not..... But seeing it live and on TV are 2 totally different things. You can see the power that the shots are landing with. You can the way that the boxer reacts and feels being right there by them. You can feel the will and dtermination of the fighters. You can literally see the feelings of the fighters and the fighters cornerman. You can see all of these things. TV and being right there is totally different. Plus they dont have the commentators shoving their opinions down your throat. The judges were in no way biased for either fighter. Both fighters had the same promoter. Another totally valid point....You watch a fight from home you see a totally different fight. That being said, this is why I can also see the judges having Marg ahead in this fight, because from there vantage point, you see him continuing to come forward and march on in. Now I'd like to know what these judges see when they go home and score a fight watching it from home instead of live at ringside, I bet we have a few different cards then tho ya think?!?!

im not playing your game horus. your acting as if floyd would have walked down Margarito when you know Margo and Baldo arent the same fighter. you want me to answer these questions so you can take it out of context. i know you bruv bruv and i respect you by the way. but im not dumb. :) what im saying is that Floyd fans cant claim what Cotto did was running when lookin back at how Floyd has fought against his bigger competition. Look I am not trying to have an Argument with you...By no Means.. I want to have a discussion with you. You said If Cotto Ran, then Floyd was on a Motorbike against Baldomir... So my response to you was and is... Floyd Stop and decided to fight Baldomir in the Pocket.? Floyd Stop and decided to go to Baldomir body? Floyd Stop and decided to fight Baldomir the middle of the ring? Floyd Stop and decided to walk down Baldomir? When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight in the Pocket.? When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight Margarito in the middle of the ring? When did Cotto Stop and decided to walk down margarito? When did Cotto Stop and decided to go to margarito's body? This Post is a direct Response to you basically saying that Floyd did more running against Baldomir, Then Cotto did against Margarito.

Carlos Manuel Baldomir : World Boxing Hall of Fame "Fighter of the Year" 2006 WBC Champion WBA Champion IBF Champion Last Linear Champion Before Mayweather Beat: The Same Clottey Margarito Beat. And Beat Judah which is a better win than Cintron. Now Accomplish Wise Baldomir has Accomplish More than Margarito. Overall Margarito is better than baldomir IMO. but Overall Baldomir has accomplish more than Margarito. So a case can be made that Baldomir is better than Margarito Did you even see the Baldomir/Clottey fight? Baldomir held a title for 10 months (and it was that long only because of Gatti) and he was never the IBF or WBA champion... get your facts straight buddy. if you really think that Baldomir has accomplished more than Margarito, I feel sorry for your offspring.

I gave rounds 1,2,5,6,7,8,11, 12 too JMM and rounds 3,4,9, 10 and the 3rd round knock down to Pac. That really sounds pretty close to what I think I might have it.....Again ill have to get back to you and let you know for sure! How did you score DLH and May......I had 8 rounds to 4 for Mayweather. They split the first 6, now I cant remember if it was 1,3,5 for DLH or if it was 2,4,6 for him, but after that I had May winnning round 7-11 and DLH winning round 12.....116-112..... Also I dont remember the exact rounds I scored it yet Ill check this one 2...I know I scored 4 outta the first 6 for Hopkins, I had this fight 6 round apiece with Hopkins winning 114-113 b/c of KD.....And again Ill hafta check it...That being said, the first time I score it I scored it 7-5 for Joe but since I ve scored it 2 more times...Again without the volume, and had Hopkins winning both time by the same margin!!

25... Cotto never came forward one time in that fight.... Floyd vs. Baldomir.... Floyd Fought in the Pocket against Baldomir.(unlike Cotto did to Marg.) Floyd Walk Down Baldomir sometimes..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.) Floyd went to the body against Baldomir..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.) and Floyd fought in the Middle of the ring against Baldomir..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.) Cotto vs. Margarito 1. When Did Cotto Stop Running and decided to fight in the Pocket.? 2. When Did Cotto Stop Running and decided to fight Margarito in the middle of the ring? 3. When did Cotto Stop Running and decided to walk down margarito? 4. When did Cotto Stop Running and decided to go to margarito's body? NAME ONE ROUND THAT COTTO DID ANY OF THIS... 1. Everytime he stopped and threw punches, he was doing this... 2. A whole shitload of times throughout the fight 3. Never... cause thats just about the dumbest thing you could try to do against Margarito 4. Never... which cost him the fight arguably. PLEASE dont tell me that you think you have to do ANY of the above to win rounds, or outbox ur opponent. you seem to have no clue what ur talking about in this post right here.

Only because judges are dumb. Watch it on TV and you see many shots are slipped. Judges are to much swayed by ring generalship and the blood. Also swayed by lots of punches thrown, you cant tell whats landing. Thi is another aspect that is tough to watch a fight, and judge on. Me poersonally, I dont read into blood at all, Its one thing if a fighter is getting beating into submission, or if he's bleeding. I never understood this aspect of judging, and how someone can really be swayed by this.....

2501 Please Answer these Direct Questions: When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight in the Pocket.? When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight Margarito in the middle of the ring? When did Cotto Stop and decided to walk down margarito? When did Cotto Stop and decided to go to margarito's body? im not playing your game horus. your acting as if floyd would have walked down Margarito when you know Margo and Baldo arent the same fighter. you want me to answer these questions so you can take it out of context. i know you bruv bruv and i respect you by the way. but im not dumb. :) what im saying is that Floyd fans cant claim what Cotto did was running when lookin back at how Floyd has fought against his bigger competition.

one thing people are overlooking because of their hate for either Cotto or Margo is that the fucking fight was bad fucking ass. thats something everyone should be able to agree with. it was worth every fucking penny in my opinion more than any other ppv fight this year and possibly for the rest of the year. as a matter of fact, someone should make a thread commending how dope the fight was.

lmao @ people saying Cotto was potshotting or only hitting once and moving away. thats when you know that these people are just fucking crybabies and haters. be real with it mothafuckas or get the fuck out. 2501 Please Answer these Direct Questions: When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight in the Pocket.? When Did Cotto Stop and decided to fight Margarito in the middle of the ring? When did Cotto Stop and decided to walk down margarito? When did Cotto Stop and decided to go to margarito's body?

Ok, want me to send you how I scored it? Please do!! PS.....Ill send you some of my other fights, see if you can get your hands on them, also try what I do and see if it works for you, even if you only watch it once, do it without the commentary. See if you can watch emm and send me back some of your cards and We'll compare and contrast them!!:boxing:

Floyd stood up to the much bigger and strong fighter Baldy. Cotto never stood up to Margarito and ran. Again a stupid fucker that is comparing BALDOMIR to MARGARITO. BALDOMIR=the worst champion of all time. Baldomir has like 11 KOs in 61 fights! hahahaha nice comparison buddy