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on rewatching noticed cotto got hurt to the body in 2nd. the look on his face sitting in corner between 2nd and third says "what the fck...i think i'm worried".] A few good body shots could make ANYONE give that look :)

great post

Ice what happend in the fight is pretty much what you told me was going to happen prior to it.. good call And there you have it :)

Hey John, how do u like Marg chances against Mayweather? You know, say what you want about Mayweather but he's a different ball of wax altogether than Cotto. May is too relaxed, I think, to get worn down like that

The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!" The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto. One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own. Ice he's crazy. When someone hits him he throws more punches, Always. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

No offense but...I saw it in the second round and told EVERYBODY with me how it was going to go. I dont pick all fights right etc etc...I am just saying that for this particular fight I knew it VERY very early and it was specifically because of the things I always look for in fighters when they are in that ring. I am BIG on outward appearance and what Miguel showed me in the first and second had me convinced very early. So...props to meeee!! LOL. Hey John, how do u like Marg chances against Mayweather?

Ice what happend in the fight is pretty much what you told me was going to happen prior to it.. good call

No offense but...I saw it in the second round and told EVERYBODY with me how it was going to go. I dont pick all fights right etc etc...I am just saying that for this particular fight I knew it VERY very early and it was specifically because of the things I always look for in fighters when they are in that ring. I am BIG on outward appearance and what Miguel showed me in the first and second had me convinced very early. So...props to meeee!! LOL.

I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto. One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. ** No offense Ice, but a whole lotta folks saw the handwriting after the 7th. Even Max and Manny were on the same page for this fight. Marg visibly staggered Cotto in the 1st with a left hook to the body, and there were a couple dozen more before the end. No legs for Cotto. Cotto showed the heart of a champ and fought brilliantly, but the damage to his nose compromised his stamina and left him weak in the end for the beat down. Vasquez had to quit on his stool the first Marquez fight because of his nose. Fair play, all the top welts fighting each other giving everyone some classics. Nobody could remain undefeated against these guys forever. Cotto to be back better than ever from what I saw, and I pray Marg finds a soft place to land since his style of soaking up unholy punishment a deal with the devil.

props to the mexicano!!!! its all good. boriqua will be back though!!!!:boxing::boxing::boxing:

Would love to come to Seattle. I will let u know :) There are fans who saw this unfolding and many others who did not.... the guys I was with, other than Clay-Bey, all thought it was a wash for Cotto even going into the 8th because of all the flashy punches he was landing. They didnt recognize the pressure and certainly didnt recognize the body shots he was sneaking in. If they did, they didnt realize the affects shots like that have. There is more then a few of us that would want to bs with you and....yeah probably go over the Nunn fight. Im sure you would oblige.

Would love to come to Seattle. I will let u know :) There are fans who saw this unfolding and many others who did not.... the guys I was with, other than Clay-Bey, all thought it was a wash for Cotto even going into the 8th because of all the flashy punches he was landing. They didnt recognize the pressure and certainly didnt recognize the body shots he was sneaking in. If they did, they didnt realize the affects shots like that have.

Scap, real quick because I have to head out..I will post more later but boxing in that ring IS deep to me...the insights (as i see them) are deep....if you know what you are looking for and at it IS deep.....thats what I love about the game.... maybe you watch and see one thing and I see another... I look at a painting and see sqiggly lines while someone else sees really deep beauty...its all in the eye of the beholder. As for the betting.... where I was at bets were made in the second round on Cotto....guys took the bets..one guy took the bet based solely on what I told him after the first, that being that Cotto is winning the battles but Margo will eventually win the war. Im no former fighter like yurself but I to watch this sport in a "deep" way. Do I have the knowledge and the eye that you have...absolutely not but in this match I do not think it took and Iceman Scully or a Manny Steward to tell me or some of my more educated boxing friends that this fight was not going good. You mention the second round....your dead on although I thought Cotto won the second myself along with many of my more educated boxing friends-the key in the second was the amount (the real cult fans) of punishment cotto was taking so early, it was not supposed to be this brutal this early. I guess my point is is that there are fights where my untrained eye misses something and a fight turns when I never saw it coming...I think good hard nosed boxing fans that werent balls to the wall for either guy could see this outcome coming...yes as early as the second and many educated fans in Seattle at my house on Saturday night said as much. If your ever in Seattle let me know-I pack a pretty nice well rounded fight crowd and your always welcome!

What I noticed, for one thing, is that even in the first round when he boxed beautifully Cotto ended up stopping to gather himself and, I don't know, he just showed body language that I recognized. He HAD to gather himself, you know? In the second it was a brief moment where he stopped and it was almost like he was saying to himself, "This guy just wont stop." It's mentally challenging, believe me, as much or more than physically. Antonio on the other hand never IMO showed any sign of "breaking" (as I call it) and even when he would get caught with three or four flush shots (from a guy who can definitely punch) he brushed it off almost effortlessly (he appeared to anyway. You see what I mean? I am sure Cotto noticed). When he would brush it off and then begin his pursuit again so quickly....the best way I can describe it from Cotto's point of view is it is like if you were Luke, Han and Chewbacca in the trash compactor :) The walls just steady closing...closing...closing...your blood pressure rising, your adrenaline, too...but there seems to be little hope...and you feel that the more you try the more tired you get. I do not necessarily think Cotto outright quit.... I think he took the knee on his own and he was about to assess the situation for himself and decide what to do. His corner beat him to it, though.

Good post. I totally agree. Several people have said after watching the first 6 rounds they know Cotto will make a slight adjustment and win the rematch. It isn't always that easy. The pace was way too fast for Cotto. If he moves less he will take more damage.

Scap, real quick because I have to head out..I will post more later but boxing in that ring IS deep to me...the insights (as i see them) are deep....if you know what you are looking for and at it IS deep.....thats what I love about the game.... maybe you watch and see one thing and I see another... I look at a painting and see sqiggly lines while someone else sees really deep beauty...its all in the eye of the beholder. As for the betting.... where I was at bets were made in the second round on Cotto....guys took the bets..one guy took the bet based solely on what I told him after the first, that being that Cotto is winning the battles but Margo will eventually win the war.

The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!" The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto. One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own. Thanks for posting an 'insiders' thoughts.

Being walked down like that is no joke. I've sparred with a trainer at my gym who basically played the role of Margarito and I couldn't believe how exhausted I got just from a few rounds. It's mentally exhausting. Anyway, I was pulling for Cotto but I was definitely loosing confidence as the fight went on toward the middle rounds even though he was clearly winning and instead was just hoping he'd make it to the end and get a decision.

The pressure A.M. used in the ring that night was really really calculated and deadly.... true story: I was watching the fight at a place with Clay-Bey, his brother and about 10 other people...most were going for Cotto. Loudly. After the second round Clay's brother was laughing, whooping it up, cheering on Cotto. I saw something clear and reconizable in Cotto's demeanor, though, as early as the first round. I told everybody, specifically, that there is a LONG time remaining and not to get too excited for their man just yet. After the seventh I got up, laughing and joking and shadowboxing, holding up my fingers. "Two more rounds! That's it, two more rounds, boys!" The thing about me as a trainer and ANYONE who I have ever worked with will verify this, I always am very big on outward demeanor. You can tell a whole lot about a guy and his mental and physical state if you really pay close attention to him and if you know what to look for. It was something that became clearer and clearer as the rounds passed and, like I say, in the 7th round I knew the clock was ticking quickly for Cotto. One thing I will say, many people really do not understand or appreciate the mental and physical pressure that a man walking you down in that ring presents to the equation. Add that to the very sneaky and subtle body shots that Antonio was sneakin gin there almost non stop after the 2nd round and the handwriting was on the wall. Clay-Bey and I both tried to tell everyone in the room where the night was headed but they didnt want to listen. Although I didnt bet (I rarely do) I can tell you that more than a few dollars were won and lost that night because certain people only saw Cotto's obvious shining moments and not Margarito's much more subtle but ultimately much more deadly moments of his own. True that........

If I was watching this fight live, I would have thought the same too. I didnt really see the demeanor change until the 6th round. Do you agree that he wasted too much energy on foot movement, Ice?