And by the way, clothing deals, popularity, and stature should never enter the equation when breaking down a fight...no wonder you were misguided.
you are completely wrong. all are those are things that can be gone with one single loss. you as a "expert" would know that.
and you should do a little research as to why The Coalition and your sister Soulja dont get respected. I mean, if you are down with racism and propoganda, then thats your thing and you fit right in. but if you seriously think that The Coalition is some premier objective society, i feel really sorry for you.
I wrote a huge analysis already, but firefox keeps fucking up with this forum and saying the address cannot be found.
Anyways, I think that's a decent breakdown. Not bad for a cute and paste job, maybe if you weren't spewing your bullshit about Williams and Mayweather and piggybacking Cotto and Margarito just because they are opponents in the same weight class, I wouldn't of had to son you in the first place. I already had 3 fuckin paragraphs on this fight, but I'll do this again.
Judah is the enigma. When he's on, he's on. He destroyed Spinks in the 2nd fight, outboxed Mayweather for 5 rounds or whatever, and his speed, power and talent are almost unmatched. The problem is his mental game. If he had the mental strength of Floyd, he might be the pound for pound king. But he doesn't. When he gets frustrated or bored, he gets sloppy, sometimes it seems like he doesn't even want to be in the ring.
I really like Clottey, he's tough, durable, relentless, and a bully. He doesn't take shit in the ring and has the heart of a warrior.
Judah has the speed and power advantage. His lateral movement and boxing ability is really good, the problem is his hand defense. He models his style after Pernell Whitaker when it comes to that, he doesn't do a good job catching punches, and when he slips punches he keeps his right hand too low and doesn't move far back enough, he keeps himself in the reach of his adversary. But he does have excellent torso control and can go from slipping a punch to a devastating uppercut in literally a second. His God given talent is undeniable, the problem is where his head is at during the fight.
In contrast, Clottey has excellent hand defense. He's very hard to hit while guarded up, he even does a good job blocking to the body while stationary, and he catches a lot of punches. He doesn't have as good movement as Judah, or foot and hand speed, but he's relentless and tough, and does a good job of never getting discouraged in a fight.
To me this comes down to Clottey's jab and right hand. Cotto showed that if you land the jab clean on Judah it offsets his rhythm and causes him to get frustrated, which takes him out of his element, and he basically forgets why he's there and just goes through the motion and tries to survive for the fight. He forgets about his offense, and just circles the ring waiting for the bell to end. If he's on mentally, he's ferocious, his speed and power almost impossible to overcome, and he'll easily outbox Clottey and win a UD or even shock people and get a late round TKO.
Clottey has to not get bothered by the offense Judah comes out with in the first 4 rounds, and he has to get Judah's timing down and keep the jab in his face. If he can continue to do that, and bully Judah, with his lowblows and holding, he'll wear him down and stop him late or win a comfortable decision.
The word is Judah has been a menace in camp, running through sparring partners like you run through hooked on phonics books. So I think he realizes this is his last chance at establishing himself as a great in this sport, instead of the journeyman status he currently holds. This fight could go either way, and Judah has let me down many times. But I think he'll come out for this fight ready, I think he would've beat Mosley and was ready for that, and I see him winning by late round TKO or UD because he'll use his speed and movement to keep Clottey guessing all night and frustrate his offense.
well you have to excuse me for being at work while i typed that out but i currently dont have the luxury to be as specific as you were. As far as my other breakdowns, just search my threads. I called Calzaghe/Hopkins to a tee except for the knockdown. Cotto/Margarito well, here it is.......
Now, I'm not saying it will be a dull fight, but it is my personal opinion that it wont surpass any of the Vazquez/Marquez fights, the Pac/Marquez or even Casa/Katsidis fight. But it WILL be a damn good fight.
The more I think about what is at stake here for Cotto, the more I realize that he will be coming into this fight the most cautious he has ever been. He has the most to lose of the two and is on the verge of reaching super stardom (or the highest any boxer can reach not named Floyd or Oscar). He recently inked a deal with Ecko clothing, his popularity is rising in the Hispanic community, anytime Floyd is mention, Cotto is usually in the same sentence. Obviously, Cotto is concious of what he could lose if he loses to Margarito.
So, is Cotto REALLY going into this fight like he did against his previous victims? Is he REALLY going to trade sledge hammer shots with one of the grimiest construction workers in the game? I dont think so.
The Cotto camp understands that Margo has the ability to hurt Cotto. The Cotto camp understands that Cotto may not have the ability to hurt Margarito. As a trainer, you wouldn't tell your fighter to go in the ring and attempt to establish your position by trying to beat a power puncher with the work ethic of Paraponera ant at his own game right? We all saw how Cotto fought the second half of the Mosley fight. I think he realized he wasn't going to be able to hurt Mosley with the body work he was doing so he started to Box Mosley more. Dippin and dodging, stickin and moving.
I feel that we will see a Mayweather-esque performance by Cotto on this night. Pero antes que me tiren al leon, I also think that Cotto understands the magnitude and benefits of making a statement against Tony. I see Cotto making his presence known by systematically landing some hard, hard punches on Tony with murderous intent. His game plan will be not to fall into a brawl with Tony, but to epitomize the meaning of Boxer/Puncher. He's going to be moving, using the ring to keep Tony off balance making sure Tony doesnt set and begin doing his work. Cotto will land some combinations from time to time, but he will seldom stay within the vicinity Tony feels comfortable to work in. This doesn't mean Cotto will avoid the temptation, the urge to break what is considered unbreakable. He WILL try to check Tony's chin and if he sees a crack in that diamond, he will go in for the kill. If he finds that Margo's rib cage and liver are vulnerable, we will see a Cotto who is willing to take the risks because taking down the man who was once considered "the most feared man in boxing" would elevate his status to mythic proportions.
Basically, Cotto will want to show that he is classes above Margarito and the majority of the Welter Weight Division. His goal will be to show versatility, but in an exciting fashion. Unfortunately though, it wouldn't be as exciting as Cotto standing toe to toe with Margarito, but I think it will be more than worth the $50 or so bucks PPV fans will be shelling out. I've lost my train of thought for now so I am not gonna finish the post.
see, you're problem is that if anyone criticizes Williams, you lose it. you go crazy. thats why you were even asked why you were so mad in that other thread.
I LIKE Williams. I was going for him against Quintana in both fights. But the problem is that Williams didnt show how he improved skill wise in the rematch with Quintana because he blew him out of the water (which obviously is always the best way to go) but how much has he really learned from the Quintana loss? What adjustments has he made?
I actually made a thread stating that Williams/Clottey would be a great fight where Williams would be able to display his newly founded skills and adjustments because Clottey is a hard test for anyone.
And this thread has nothing to do with popularity. Im not even a funny poster. But I do talk boxing, I do talk about other fighters and if you want to be taken seriously, do the same. Dont be like the rest of your team members.
look at this shit. nothing but Williams/Hopkins.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1481221
ooooooooh haha so NOW Quintana is good win? right, but for Cotto, its not even worth mentioning. just another "green" fighter for Cotto to pad his record. I see. hahaha wow.
Funny shit is my post were probably almost direct quotes from bullshit you've said. Break down Clottey vs Judah for me, who you got??
I want Judah to win. But as we've seen in Judah's previous fights, when faced with a major challenge, his self confidence is dramatically affected. I think Judah understands that Clottey has pretty good hand speed so he may try to rely on his counter punching skills. Clottey actually has very good defense as he showed against Margarito, but does he have this defense when he's being the aggressor? Or will he want to test Zab's power and let his gaurd down while walking forward?
I think Clottey is going to wait to see what Zab is going to do in the first couple of rounds and Zab is going to wait for Clottey to make a move so there may not be too much action. If Zab realizes that his speed is an advantage over Clottey, we're going to be seeing a much slicker Zab than against Cotto. The problem is, if he doesnt hurt Clottey, Clottey will get more agressive and put Zab on a full on counter punching game plan. The more successful pressure Clottey applies to Zab, the more Zab will get fustrated and his punch count will decrease. Thats why I think Clottey is going to get the decision over Zab. Clottey will be more active, more aggressive and accurate.
Clottey UD
what about you
Keep talkin that mother shit, what are you 12?? Look, if you're down with people I respect, I'll offer to make ammends with you right now. Squash the shit, whatever it was, and move on. You can forget what I said about your thread, and I'll forget two strikes you've taken against my family. Which is a cowards move online. Deal??
right, ok,
i am a very reasonable poster and i dont look to start arguements,
but you did start things,
but im willing to move on, its not important really,
i apologise to you and your mother for being insulting,
it is something which i regret doing,
i am not that kind of person,
We made an av and sig bet and you couldn't offer ANY analysis of a fight. At all. All I see you do is say shit like "if margarito doesnt fight williams by february hes ducking him" then in the next post "margarito will destroy williams ill bet my screen name" then the next post "cotto will be best ww by mid june" then finally "im a floyd fan, but i hope he dies". GREAT ANALYSIS.
see, this is exactly why you fit in The Coalition and why no one respects yall.
"Let them hate so long as they fear"
its more like
"We dont give 2 shits about your opinion so we're gonna make fun of you"
Where did I disguise anything?
I told you in personal.
When do you come out and be truthful about any of the hidden shit you've been pulling.
I'll even that lopsided poll shit out however I want.
Like none of your dickriders is logging in and voting under multiples.
Are you desperate for a lifeline? You bitterass toad?
bitter about what? this is the fucking internet haha. none of this matter in real life? are you gettin paid for this shit? if you are let me in because this is just what i do while im here at work.
this isnt serious enough for me to start a coalition or any type of internet society. you need to re-evaluate what your priorities are Steed.
I know little?? You and I have never talked boxing once. What would you like to debate so I can son you in front of everyone?? I don't give a fuck who you're down with, you're acting like a hoe because I belittled a pathetic thread you had. Sorry that hurt you so bad bro. My bad.
ya your bad, so is your mother,
it wasnt a pathetic thread,
most of the threads on here are pathetic, mine was a good thread,
i just dont like idiots like you who start shit for no reason
What the fuck you talking about?? Coming from a guy who just switched back to his account we own??? You stay sonnin yourself, but I guess your claim is "at least I know I'm a hypocritical loser these other guys think they aren't"...maybe that's because WE AREN'T fool.
Let's talk boxing, what fight you want to break down??? Name one let's discuss it and see who's who around here. Any of you bitches.
search my threads you imbecile. you'll find plenty of boxing talk. im sure the same cant be said about you or TCN Toy Soulja.
Where's the contradiction?
Point that shit out.
I'll do you one better.
It ain't no popularity contest. The Coalition® isn't about that either.
It's about being real with each other.
For someone talking about "being real" and not giving a fuck about popularity contests, you sure cared enough to log into an alias just to add an additional vote to the poll.
d0gg85, El Dominicano, Ivan Mayweather, joseph5620, Luciano, TCN® SOULJAH, The Gully Gad, Two Clips
d0gg85 was myself.. i just switched names is all..
you're the worst of the worst on here. you claim to be something you arent. at least be real with your shit. now go ahead and claim that aint real.
Where's the contradiction?
Point that shit out.
I'll do you one better.
It ain't no popularity contest. The Coalition® isn't about that either.
It's about being real with each other.
For someone talking about "being real" and not giving a fuck about popularity contests, you sure cared enough to log into an alias just to add an additional vote to the poll.
d0gg85, El Dominicano, Ivan Mayweather, joseph5620, Luciano, TCN® SOULJAH, The Gully Gad, Two Clips
d0gg85 was myself.. i just switched names is all..
you're the worst of the worst on here. you claim to be something you arent. at least be real with your shit.
luciano is just a paul williams nut hugger, he isnt even a boxing fan
exactly he`s a stupid cunt, he knows little
yeah. luciano is a coalition wannabe. they'll vote for him.
im not voting for him, although his mother is always good to me so who knows
Lucianos one of the most narrow minded retards I've ever had the misfortune of coming across on a forums.
exactly
lol.
the coalition took a vote on me last week......
it was like 70-2 against! ha ha ha
even if you do a cintron vs. prime de la hoya poll..... cintron would get more than 2 votes!
lmao
i voted for you
Hahaha oh shit. What a joke of a thread. All the haters voted against me, I'm so devastated, maybe I'll go cut my face and look half as ugly as 2501 does in real life. I could give a fuck about a vote on who people think is a more valuable poster.
If ANYBODY on here actually thinks 2501 is a more valuable poster then ANYONE they are a delusional clown. I have never once read a post of this guys where he breaks down anything. When we made our bet on Margarito vs Cotto, I broke down in detail to him how Margarito would win. He had no response other then the same elitist bullshit he puts in every post, nothing to do with styles or attributes for either fighter.
My boxing knowledge vs yours is like me comparing how I live to how you do. You're average, at best. I could give a fuck what anybody thinks about me on here. 10% of the people who post on here are intelligent and understand the sport, and are real muthafuckas. I get along with that 10%, people like TCN Souljah and the Coalition. The rest of you bitches are just emotional wannabes that couldn't get in the group or got their ass kicked in school by gangs. GET OFF MY DICK...all of you cheerleading groupies. You can start mentioning my name along with Floyd and Paul as far as dicks all of these hatin ass groupies wish they were sucking on.
the subject matter in the red color is what Luciano would like for you to believe. the subject matter in green is what Luciano actually feels which is contradictory to what he claims in red.
Sure. Whatever.
However you want to take a knee and get skullfucked is fine with me.
You know what's up. Hoe.
the funny thing is actually liked you for a good minute and was even tolerating your bitch assness until i actually got to see what you were really about. you cut me deep shrek. you cut me real deep.
You still don't get it.
I could GIVE A FUCK what people think about The Coalition®.
This is what I keep telling T-97. Don't need to justify your association with the group.
I have friends in real life and on the board.
I just don't care to court the approval of people outside my social circles. Online or off.
You talk more Mayweather than I ever have. It's 80% of your post-history. In 9 months.
I've been here talking about fighters for years.
The majority of my Mayweather talk is in response to your endless stream of shit-talk and propaganda.
Shitpricks like you are the problem with boxingscene.
Start a thread looking for feedback on Cesar Canchila's performance on the undercard of La Battalia?
No replies.
Some dumb shit start a thread on the latest Mayweather tittle-tattle?
20 page thread full of inverse cowgirl dickriders like you.
You don't talk boxing. You talk stats and wild opinions with nothing to back up.
Where was your deep analysis of how Cotto would destroy Margarito?
You didn't have one.
I backed up my pick for the fight.
You know nothing about the sport.
You have no instinct for it. No intuition.
You're a fucking scrub.
The sooner you just get hit by a fucking tsunami. The better.
haha you still dont fucking get it. you basically just proved my point. talk to me when you follow other fighters who arent Floyd or even just black for that matter. maybe we can actually have a good conversation for once.
The Coalition® tag under my name virtually guarantee I will come off on the downside of some voting contest with a bottomfeeding cunt who tows all the popular anti Floyd partylines.
But I know for a fact I'm a better poster than you and have more instinct and intuition for the sport than your boxrec plundering ass ever will.
It ain't no popularity contest. The Coalition® isn't about that either.
It's about being real with each other.
I don't care if anybody outside the group would vote for me in a popularity contest with your shit spreading, volume posting ass.
hahah. wow. someone is taking this shit a little too serious. the funny thing about you is that you claim to be a better poster than me, yet all you ever talk about is Floyd. I talk Floyd too, dont get me wrong, but where is all the other boxing talk you claim you do? where? You are even part of an online forum society dedicated to Floyd Mayweather Jr. yet you want to claim you know more about boxing than someone who actually TALKS boxing?.
How about you stop fucking crying about how much no one likes your father figure and start making threads about whats going on in boxing. how bout you stop trying to discredit ANYONE that might be perceived as a threat or possible opponent to your father figure and start making threads about whats going on in boxing. How bout you stop TALKING about how much "instinct and intuition" you have about boxing and actually PROVE it instead of hiding in some fucking internet cave with the rest of your Mayweather-Queda Talibanees plotting how to discredit certain posters and coming up with "strategies" on how to "brand" the TCN. Thats right, you say you dont care about this supposed "popularity" contest, yet your hypocritical, elitist, racist ass is complaining about how "unfair" the thread is and also worried about how The Coalition is perceived on the board.
talk boxing for once and maybe your dumb ass will actually get some friends. thats the goal of The Coalition anyways isnt it?