if it wasn't for all those alphabet straps it would be clear that Joe is a 2 division champ....the alphabet straps be confusing people......Just close your eyes and imagine one belt.....one belt....it belongs to Roy Jones Jr. who gets KTFO in the 2nd round by Antonio Tarver......then Tarver loses the belt to Glenn Johnson only to regain it in a rematch.....Tarver never lost another fight until he faced B-Hop.....and if you wasn't somewhere on Mars lookin for life...then you should know what happened on April 19th in Las Vegas this year......I hope I cleared it up for you man....
Yeah its clear. Im just trying to get the opinion of other members regarding this matter.
actually i expect 100% yes vote for this poll :(
if it wasn't for all those alphabet straps it would be clear that Joe is a 2 division champ....the alphabet straps be confusing people......Just close your eyes and imagine one belt.....one belt....it belongs to Roy Jones Jr. who gets KTFO in the 2nd round by Antonio Tarver......then Tarver loses the belt to Glenn Johnson only to regain it in a rematch.....Tarver never lost another fight until he faced B-Hop.....and if you wasn't somewhere on Mars lookin for life...then you should know what happened on April 19th in Las Vegas this year......I hope I cleared it up for you man....
i believe 2 of the judges were on mars. now it all makes sense.
if it wasn't for all those alphabet straps it would be clear that Joe is a 2 division champ....the alphabet straps be confusing people......Just close your eyes and imagine one belt.....one belt....it belongs to Roy Jones Jr. who gets KTFO in the 2nd round by Antonio Tarver......then Tarver loses the belt to Glenn Johnson only to regain it in a rematch.....Tarver never lost another fight until he faced B-Hop.....and if you wasn't somewhere on Mars lookin for life...then you should know what happened on April 19th in Las Vegas this year......I hope I cleared it up for you man....
I find it laughable that you suggest that if Calzaghe was to win an alphabet title you would consider him a champ. With the reletive ease you can gain a title thesedays I cannot share your sentiments.
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This thread basically says that IF Calzaghe is 2-division champion because of his RING-light heavyweight belt, then PACQUIAO should be a 5-division champion because he became the RING-featherweight champion after he defeated Marco Antonio Barrera!:grumpy:
Pac is a 5 Division Champion
Calz is a 2 division champion.
This thread basically says that IF Calzaghe is 2-division champion because of his RING-light heavyweight belt, then PACQUIAO should be a 5-division champion because he became the RING-featherweight champion after he defeated Marco Antonio Barrera!:grumpy:
ONly a champ at 168
The ring belt means nothing really, just a magazine toy, IMO he lost the fight against B-hop. He beat Eubank Clearly to win the 168 belt but really that split discision win ova b-hop for his ring belt is really nothing. if he wins a belt in a sanction( WBC,WBO etc..) then he will be a champ at 175
For now IMO just a legit champ at 168.
Firstly, Your opinion on who won a fight does not matter. Joe Calzaghe was awarded the win against Hopkins and thats how it will go down in the record books. A lot of people think Oscar beat Floyd (not me btw) so does that mean we should not think of Floyd as a champ at 154lbs, of course it doesn't.
Secondly, I completely disagree with your view on the ring belt. I personally see the ring belt as the most important title. In todays world of corrupt sanctioning bodies the ring belt stands out from the rest; it follows the true lineage of a division and in recieving it Calzaghe became the real champ at LHW.
I find it laughable that you suggest that if Calzaghe was to win an alphabet title you would consider him a champ. With the reletive ease you can gain a title thesedays I cannot share your sentiments.
If Joe is a 2-division champ, the Pacman should be considered a 5-division champ for winning the lineal featherweight championship from MAB in 2003.
Yes
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the ring belt is less important than the alphabelt belts. you have no mandatory defenses and never have to face a true threat, much less a live body in your own division. prime examples of abusers:
hopkins (and im a big hopkins fan. dont get me wrong, but the guy never faced a light heavyweight after tarver for 2 years and held that ring title hostage).
casamayor- should have lost to jose armando santa cruz. didnt give cambell a rematch even though he is clearly the best challenger. at least he decided to fight jmm instead of juan diaz- boy would that have been unjust to campbell if he had fought the baby bull.
floyd- well... i think we all know this story.
Yeah but people are practically handed alphabet titles. Look at Andre Berto holding the WBC WW belt.... yeah.