When Pavlik beats Hopkins,

top 5 ish for me. and it's an if, not when! Its a when

If Cotto wins, 1. Pacquiao 2. Marquez 3. Calzaghe 4. Vasquez 5. Cotto If Margarito wins, 1. Pacquiao 2. Marquez 3. Calzaghe 4. Vasquez 5. Pavlik and it depends on the conclusiveness of the victory on Pavlik/Cotto/Margarito's part

top 5 ish for me. and it's an if, not when!

Beating Hopkins wasn’t going to make him leap frog Pacman or Mayweather then This is true. It isn't the same situation, I was being somewhat disingenuous.

It depends on how impressively he wins.

For me he might actually enter the top ten, but I don't recall Joe's P4P stock rising when he beat Hopkins. The Ring had him at #5 and then boosted to 3. That and before Pacquiao massacared Diaz it was disputed.

He moved up 1 on my list. So you had him above Pacquiao I'm guessing? Thats fair enough, I had him still at #3.

For me he might actually enter the top ten, but I don't recall Joe's P4P stock rising when he beat Hopkins. He moved up 1 on my list.

In the words of Lennox Lewis : "He's a cagey old veteran"

For me he might actually enter the top ten, but I don't recall Joe's P4P stock rising when he beat Hopkins.